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Re: Free Markets hard at work Sini #114927 03/13/13 04:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,526 Likes: 1 Nebraska,Omaha Helemoto KGB Supreme Knight
Helemoto KGB Supreme Knight Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,526 Likes: 1 Nebraska,Omaha	Originally Posted By: sini Stubs I am genuinely amazed at your ability to string together all this right wing swamp fever and never worry about staying consistent. Here is chain of events: Agriculture subsidies distort price of corn, making high fructose corn syrup(HFCS) a disproportionally cheap sweetener. Public is hard-wired to prefer sweet, but HFCS is least sweet alternative, resulting in substantial extra calories at the same sweetness level as alternatives. This results in extra calories consumed from nearly all prepared food, as a result obesity levels of general population is getting worse and medical costs going up for everyone involved. How we pay for medical costs is irrelevant, 100% private insurance distributing costs to you by increasing premium or Obamacare directly taxing you - your costs will still go up even if you are not obese. These are systemic costs. This has nothing to do with illegal aliens using hospitals, Agenda 21 and UN, or any other boogeyman you can invent. You seem to forget its not a tax that Obamacare is charging you its a fee. You should reread your liberal manual before posting each time so you don't make a mistake.

Re: Free Markets hard at work Kaotic #114936 03/13/13 10:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	Originally Posted By: Kaotic You're doing it wrong. Don't buy the pre-prepared crap they sell you in the grocery store. I do that already, but I can't assume I am anywhere near the norm. Again, due to my socioeconomic situation I can't take what I do and extrapolate to averages.

Re: Free Markets hard at work Sini #114938 03/14/13 04:52 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 355 queens, NY Stubs KGB High Knight
Stubs KGB High Knight Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 355 queens, NY	Meh. I dont know what 21 and UN are. I know what I've seen firsthand, so dont be telling me it's not happening. As for consistency, im posting on a phone from work when I have downtime. Its hard to go start to finish on one thought without being interrupted :( STUBS!

Re: Free Markets hard at work Stubs #114940 03/14/13 06:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	Originally Posted By: Stubs I know what I've seen firsthand, so dont be telling me it's not happening. Did you actually seen firsthand illegal aliens using emergency rooms for healthcare? I am sure it happens, but I see it as a red herring issue. Since we are talking about healthcare, a) uninsured citizens, b) uninsured green card holders, c) illegal aliens all relying on emergency rooms for health care is a problem. If I had to guess a >>> b+c. Yes, not all diabetes are result of "lifestyle choices" and this is exactly why we can't apply "tax the consequences" approach. Otherwise problem would be simple - slap labels on food, then if you get fat and diabetic gorging yourself on junk food you pay more into healthcare to compensate society for having to deal with your mess... but it can't work that way.

Re: Free Markets hard at work Sini #114944 03/14/13 07:08 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA	Originally Posted By: sini Originally Posted By: Kaotic You're doing it wrong. Don't buy the pre-prepared crap they sell you in the grocery store. I do that already, but I can't assume I am anywhere near the norm. Again, due to my socioeconomic situation I can't take what I do and extrapolate to averages. So, you just assume that everyone else is too stupid to do this? You're just smarter than everyone else, so you should tell them how to live?

Re: Free Markets hard at work Sini #114945 03/14/13 07:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	50% of people are below average intelligence.

Re: Free Markets hard at work Sini #114948 03/14/13 07:12 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA	Originally Posted By: sini 50% of people are below average intelligence. Does that give you the authority, via the force of government, to tell them what to do? I believe it does not and that belief is the fundamental foundation of our nation.

Re: Free Markets hard at work Sini #114949 03/14/13 07:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	Idiocracy comes to mind. Human society does establish the norms of behavior that discriminate against outliers. We don't allow sexual deviants molest our children, we don't permit overly-aggressive people assault physically weaker individuals, we don't allow stealing, cheating and number of other ills in our society. Your absolutist stance is unjustifiable in the light of what we already do. Last edited by sini; 03/14/13 07:20 AM.

Re: Free Markets hard at work Sini #114953 03/14/13 07:25 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA	So, your argument is: "if the stupids are allowed to breed, they will overtake the rest of us."? You've just described examples of preventing people from doing harm to other people, not themselves. There is a HUGE distinction there that I assume you're ignoring because it doesn't fit your paradigm.

Re: Free Markets hard at work Sini #114956 03/14/13 07:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	Idiocracy's argument (not mine) is that if stupid people are out-breeding intelligent people, over time this will select for stupidity. Thankfully, there isn't allele for intelligence, rather it is secondary effect and expression of number of genes. Best current explanation is that there are hundreds of genes that regulate various functions that also affect intelligence. When all of them are expressed, you get Einstein, when all but 1 expressed you just get very smart people. To get to Tea Party Fox-watching mouth-breather level you have to go fairly deep into opposite territory and it is equally unlikely to happen. As such, our genetics strongly select for normal distribution of intelligence and selective pressures on individual alleles are unlikely to move the median.

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