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teachers unions #104417 09/07/12 06:33 PM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 327 Cheerio OP KGB Knight
OP Cheerio KGB Knight Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 327	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVyNlJUKgug&sns=em Im a teacher, so i speak with Absolute Moral Authority on this subject: public sector unions must be destroyed. even corporations dont force their members to political campaigns. KGB Darkfall

Re: teachers unions Cheerio #104445 09/08/12 06:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10 Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	My personal view on this issue is that Teaching in America failing our country. Whatever reasons are, it is now simply storing kids for a number of years instead of identifying and cultivating leaders of tomorrow. I suspect, but don't know for sure, that teachers unions are part of the problem. I also suspect that regulations, specifically focus on special needs and so on (it is VERY expensive, we simply cannot afford all of the programs) to detriment of regular education is a contributing factor. My kids will go to a private school. Boarding school if my residence location doesn't permit commute. It is that important.

Re: teachers unions Cheerio #104457 09/08/12 07:08 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA	Holy flying spaghetti monster!! Sinij, quick, change your password or find the conservative who is hiding in your house, using your computer! :)

Re: teachers unions Kaotic #104473 09/08/12 09:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10 Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	I am actually much more conservative on fiscal issues than any of you would give me a credit for, mostly I am fiscally conservative socially liberal person. I also happen to be very evidence-based in my fiscal conservatism, so this outright disqualifies me from agreeing with the current crop of GOP and current brand of cut-taxes-and-spend spendthrifts. Lets not turn this thread into frothing about keynesianism and stick to the topic - teachers and teachers uninions. Last edited by sinij; 09/08/12 09:22 AM.

Re: teachers unions Cheerio #104500 09/08/12 12:01 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA	:( but I do so enjoy frothing over Keynesian policies.

Re: teachers unions Sini #104505 09/08/12 01:52 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 587 NorthEast Texas RedKGB KGB Knight
RedKGB KGB Knight Joined: May 2008 Posts: 587 NorthEast Texas	Originally Posted By: sinij I am actually much more conservative on fiscal issues than any of you would give me a credit for, mostly I am fiscally conservative socially liberal person. I also happen to be very evidence-based in my fiscal conservatism, so this outright disqualifies me from agreeing with the current crop of GOP and current brand of cut-taxes-and-spend spendthrifts. Ha, I knew we were more alike then you are willing to let on. You go Brother Sinij.

Re: teachers unions Kaotic #104509 09/08/12 02:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10 Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	Originally Posted By: Kaotic :( but I do so enjoy frothing over Keynesian policies. We all have our vices that we do behind closed doors.

Re: teachers unions Cheerio #104528 09/08/12 05:22 PM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 327 Cheerio OP KGB Knight
OP Cheerio KGB Knight Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 327	you all have no idea the number if kids being identified as special ed has exploded due to broadening of the definitions the emphasis on high stakes tests has destroyed the arts, music, athletics, clubs, pe, shop classes to the point of extinction everyone is forced into a college-prep schedule to feed the beast of higher education, when only 22% of all jobs require a 4 year degree and, on a political note, the vast influx of ignorant foreigners into my state (california) is wrecking the entire system. 50% of uc students (my wife teaches at one) need remediation the teachers know- my kids go to private school and teachers' kids are far overrepresented in private school the smart kids are the ones that suffer the most, they are bored. their attitude sucks and we lose them forever the kids who arent smart, that could have really benefitted and learned trades from shop and art classes just drop out. more losses to society i can tell you that the amount of waste is appalling. most of it is due to the people at the state level handing down ridiculous directives. when i talk about petty bureaucrats, shiftless sincures, and regulation, try to understand that a lot of my opinions have been shaped by 14 years in this business. the union is responsible for almost all of this, directly or indirectly because they wield so much power in this state. just be aware, sinij, that the school your kids go to will almost certainly be religious, if its private. i suspect your opinions will change once you have contact with normal people. KGB Darkfall

Re: teachers unions Cheerio #104529 09/08/12 05:43 PM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 3,174 Likes: 1 Oklahoma Wolfgang KGB Supreme Knight
Wolfgang KGB Supreme Knight Joined: May 2009 Posts: 3,174 Likes: 1 Oklahoma	Originally Posted By: Cheerio you all have no idea the number if kids being identified as special ed has exploded due to broadening of the definitions the emphasis on high stakes tests has destroyed the arts, music, athletics, clubs, pe, shop classes to the point of extinction everyone is forced into a college-prep schedule to feed the beast of higher education, when only 22% of all jobs require a 4 year degree and, on a political note, the vast influx of ignorant foreigners into my state (california) is wrecking the entire system. 50% of uc students (my wife teaches at one) need remediation the teachers know- my kids go to private school and teachers' kids are far overrepresented in private school the smart kids are the ones that suffer the most, they are bored. their attitude sucks and we lose them forever the kids who arent smart, that could have really benefitted and learned trades from shop and art classes just drop out. more losses to society i can tell you that the amount of waste is appalling. most of it is due to the people at the state level handing down ridiculous directives. when i talk about petty bureaucrats, shiftless sincures, and regulation, try to understand that a lot of my opinions have been shaped by 14 years in this business. the union is responsible for almost all of this, directly or indirectly because they wield so much power in this state. just be aware, sinij, that the school your kids go to will almost certainly be religious, if its private. i suspect your opinions will change once you have contact with normal people. You hit the nail on the head. The unions would cry, but I like Ron Pauls idea of doing away with the department of education, and letting states take care of the education.

Re: teachers unions Wolfgang #104581 09/09/12 08:10 AM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,986 Likes: 44 KGB HeadQuarters JetStar (GM10) KGB High King KGB Federal Faction (F5) High Chancellor KGB New World Faction KGB Oracle Administrator Founded KGB in 1997
JetStar (GM10) KGB High King KGB Federal Faction (F5) High Chancellor KGB New World Faction KGB Oracle Administrator Founded KGB in 1997 Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,986 Likes: 44 KGB HeadQuarters	Originally Posted By: Wolfgang I like Ron Pauls idea of doing away with the department of education, and letting states take care of the education. This is not my strong topic, but I always thought the Department of Education could maintain and enforce standards that the states could meet in any way they chose. The scary thing to me is when a state goes off the deep end and starts to re-write history as recently happened in the Texas. In my childhood, they painted Christopher Columbus as hero savior, when in reality he was a brutal tyrant. At least offer both sides and let folks decide for themselves. Star Citizen Hanger: RSI Javelin Destroyer, Hull E, RSI Constellation Pheonix, Aegis Dynamics Retaliator, Banu Merchantman F7A Military Hornet Upgrade, F7C-S Hornet Ghost, F7C-R Hornet Tracker, Origin 325a Fighter

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