this isnt working
those of you who are trying to continue a fight when naked and enemies are in town it wont work
i understand that at times the bank is cock blocked but it isnt always
even minimal gear can help get the job done.
arrows and a bow is a good combo
mount and a sword
or a bag of minimal regs and weapons
these r a must if we r going to push geared people out of our city when we r at a gear disadvantage cuz of a suprise attack.
we need to try to fight togather at a central location cuz if we do not we spread apart and it is usless to try and fight for the lone person who runs into the 2 enemies who are togather
please expand on this and discuss this is a rant and i didnt put a lot of time into it i dont post much but i feel this needs to be said and discussed

you are right,

another point is to really call a buddy!!! i dont see that happening in the city.. only with sieges..

if you can get a fire,light ward on your back.. that spell protects you in the back with like 10 points of damage elemental protection plus the self cast shield + 2 points and your bone armor, all those protections together puts you to 20 points of elemental damage for 2:30 minutes.. enough to raise your survivability in a figh and to change their end.

I agree with what Morlander said.

There is a time and a place for a naked, but when there are geared people fighting in the city, your best option is to grab whatever you can to make you viable and get back to the group.

Naked ressing helps, yes, but at the same time those nakeds should be grabbing something to increase their chances of killing the raiders (ie. Bow/Arrows, Garbage Gear Bag, etc.)

A lot of the time the few geared people may be able to kick the enemies away from the bank area at which point, nakeds should grab what they can immediately and get back into the fray. This can honestly turn the course of the battle. We have the advantage in our town because we spawn there; so if the geared people clear the bank area, then you nakeds should get to it, gear up with something, and get back to your group to assist.

If everyone in town is already dead and naked, obviously the naked zerg is an option, but as long as there are GEARED KGB'ers fighting the enemies; all other KGB'ers in the city should be focused on keeping those geared members alive, while at the same time, getting themseleves geared to help in the fight. Naked zergs do NOT work when there are GEARED KGBers around; you end up doing more damage to the geared people then you do to the enemy.

That is another good point, having someone you are paired with will at least guarantee that you should not end up alone when fighting the enemies.
I would still like to see us be able to work together in larger groups, but that is a good way to start.

I have to agree with all of the above.

We had them away from the bank for a good 3 to 5 mins.. Plenty of time to grab a bag and gear up and in the fight before they got even close to the bank area again.

My opinion is that if you're going to be at the computer be geared. Even if it's a studded set. Just be geared, if studded is going to set people back on their bank let me know I'll throw some together.

We are going to have enemies, and the best way to keep them from holding the city for any amount of time is to be geared. If we get wiped, then we get wiped. At least were going to make them earn it if they do. Mithus has a good point as well. Don't go searching for a certain someone, just say the name thats closets to you and buddy up.

And remember... please DO NOT YELL, it doesn't help at all when you have someone excited yelling into vent. Most of the time when someone yells, I can't make out what the hell they are saying anyway because my ears are being blown out. And yes, my vent is normalized.

exactly. I play with a headset that is noise canceling.. all the game sounds and your Yelling have a direct path to my ear drum.. never appreciate the yelling.

I prefer we do things like what has been done all night long tonight.

push their shit in.

SB/ND come we push em, TFK joins in we push em, SB/NDGrief come back and just get spanked and ganked so many times they give up for the rest of the night!

Nobody stepped foot but for a second into the city walls.

TFK whispered iron chef QQing... =)

Good job tonight and all day long Knights!

Crazy day/night.
600km to get home.
I start playing around 11h30pm.
I stopped around 12am after hours of pure PvP.

Sometimes you caught with your pants down ...

I use Darka's patented "Oh Shit" bag concept. I label mine "Scrub" ... these are minimal PvP bags & I try to keep at least 3 on hand at all times.

I pack 2-3 cooked fish, 50 arrows & a R40 (or better) low durability bow, black bolt w/ 10, 15 or 20 of each reg & a 2H weapon ... I am thinking a robe is best now, as trying to equip multiple pieces of armor (leather or studded) in a pinch just takes too long. I'd rather use that time to heal up & buff. And that is it, a simple "Oh Shit" bag.

It's pretty easy to traverse through the keep, peek around the corner & snatch a an "Oh Shit" bag ... run, hide, heal, buff & come out with ranged attacks.

Donk would yell "Top of the Keep" when a trip or intell indicated a raid was incoming. There are differences of opinion as to the top of the keep being the best strategy ... but regardless of "where", the idea was to have a well known rally point to settle down, self-buff\cross-buff & ready ourselves for the attack. We do not do this very well.

I tend to agree with the top of the keep, it gives us some extra time, as the raiders have to get into the city & up to the top of the keep (even if it is 3-5s more, that could be the difference of a buff or 2 of prep). We also gain a single entrance choke point where we can nuke away if the raiders are trying to breech our rally point ... but that is just my opinion.

I think most of us have fairly well established characters now, even me with my casual play .. I have sharpshooter in the 90s and a few magic schools\R50 nukes up over 75 ... even nekid, I am able to hit for 20-40 per hit at range, as long as I have the proper bow\arrows & staff\regs quickly at hand. If there are 1/2 dozen of us with "Oh Shit" gear .. focused targets will drop.

in that line are u saying if we are naked we should run past the a geared dead we should run past them and continue to the bank to grab gear or anything we can to help fight??? cause i can already hear the bytching and complaining about that. i hear it everyday when one geared dies and cries and yells in vent for the naked by them to rezz them and they don't and they get all pissed about it.

but other then that yes i agree if there are geared in the city fighting and u are naked u should go bags in ur bank at all times if u can't afford it ask someone for help we are a clan... we should be helping each other. now granted if ur askin daily for go bags from others then u really need to stop and figure out what ur doing wrong.

there could be ways to draw there attention with one geared maybe even sacrificing himself to draw the enemies away from the bank to allow 2+ of us a window to get to the bank grab a bag and go hide and gear up. possibly even grabs 2 or more bags to hand out to others that might not be able to get to the bank in time. i mean if u don't want to grab go bags for others make some staff/reg bags and grab those for the others. a person with 25 each reg and a staff is a hella lot better then nothing they can then atleast buff those that are fully geared giving them a better chance of success. they can also get to a high point to be eyes and throw debuffs. if not regs and staff a bow and like 50-100 arrows. maybe even put a 2hand rank 4 mob drop in all these bag so if that person is forced into melee combat there not pullin out the starter wep allowing them to do that much more damage.

we need to start puttin our heads together and figure out ways to make our city safer. it won't happen on it's own....

Yes you should rez the geared dead. but if you dont see geared dead.. go get gear yourself.

yea i know i'm just showing the way he said it says the opposite that its better to go gear up rather then rezzing the geared dead on the ground.

What val and romeo said. And when reviving try to revive the geared person first, its not about losing the gear its about getting the best geared back into the fight. Its really common sense stuff. When you have people reviving nakeds while geared is right next to them.

Devan, I wrote "at the same time" meaning, they SHOULD be ressing those that need it, but ALSO (at the same time) worrying about getting themseleves geared.
It was mainly directed at those people, who once slain in town, remain naked throughout the remainder of the fight, regardless of whether or not they are ressing, taking no consideration to get themseleves geared.
(IE. The nakeds who join the 5 man crew pushing the 2 enemies out of town, instead of grabbing some gear incase those 2 enemies meet up with some more buddies and come right back into town.)

If you are naked and there are dead geared people around you, YES, you MUST res them, but that does not mean that your job is now only to naked res. After those geared by you are up, you should be worrying about getting yourself your own gear and getting yourself back into the fight. Even a naked resser, who stopped at the bank to grab 25 mandrake, serves more of a purpose them someone who just decides, "Hey, I died, Im just going to stay naked and fight this way, even though we have a chance, there are geared KGB around, and the bank is clear."

I know you were just trying to point out how my words could be misunderstood, but hopefully, this will make the picture a bit clearer.

Also, this paragraph from my former post, continued to point out, what I re-wrote above:

Its real simple.

Don't Play Bad!

Don't be a combat looter

Don't be a nekkid zerg'r

Stop to Rez ONLY GEARED PEOPLE

If you only grabbed five things out of the bank (Oh Shit Bag);
R40 Bow
50 Arrows
R40 Weapon
BreastPlate
R40 Staff - 10 each reg

Archery is your friend, stop playing bad like a bunch of little kids chasing a soccer ball, and use it.

Group together, push together, and combine fire together.

Debuffing the enemy is the best way to make them run.

If you can't do these simple things, your going to get called out on it.

sorry wasn't tryin to say what u said was wrong was just pointing out the way it was wrote people can read it the wrong way as if sayin they should be worrying about gearin up themselves rather then rezzing the dead geared close by.

sorry i got a splitting headache and i may just be reading it wrong myself i generally tend to read things and look at it in many differant ways. usually helps me when people other then myself read it wrong and i can see where there coming from and will be easier for me to help fix there mistake.

I agree with TAS on this, I would put at least 20 regs. If nothing else you can survive longer and give others a chance to gear up. BY all means I'm not saying just go out and die, fight as hard as you can. In fact!Fight harder... because your going to be at disadvantage as it is. Deal damage and survive, always been on someone as much as possible... pressure, pressure, pressure.

And in group plz use waypoint as you go down can't tell you how many times I have heard you went past me, you went past me again (and one time it was directed at me but the persons "body" was standing up all normal, I was looking for something sprawled on the ground not a guy standing there lol)

Yeah I've seen that happen more than a few times! The still standing while dead thing... =P

That was a fun & hilarious night!
I had fun. I also agree with the above. Ya'll very rarely see me in town anymore due to trying to skill up, but there's been quite a few times that I've ported to town as soon as "reds" are called out. 9 times out of 10, the engagement starts just before I get there & first thing I see when I come in geared is a crap ton of nakeds along with Krullz (geared) & maybe a couple others (geared), depending on who all's online.

Right on Krullz & those of you others that gear up in Andruk to fight off the enemies!
And for those that don't care about defending Andruk ... go live at the Chaos Bind Stone to the West.