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There comes a point when a rabid dog gets treated in much the same manner as a communist. You are closely akin to both.


Vuldan, is your last name McCarthy by any chance?


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Which brings us to your last point - your primary fault regarding your regulatory arguments is you have yet to put forth what specific regulations should be employed and how they would work.


I previously mentioned framework of what I believe in - end limited liability, end or greatly limit corporate personhood, and punitively tax golden parachutes at confiscatory levels. If you want to discuss specifics you will have to narrow down to a couple issues.

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As the guy in that 1%er article I posted noted - "the banks have taken over the regulatory agencies, so we need more regulations!" does not exactly make much sense.


Canada, for example, has much stricter banking regulation and did not suffer meltdown, bailouts and TBTF. Don't confuse the issue of corruption with supposed ineffectiveness of regulation. You need both broad regulation and effective enforcement. Plus criminal code need to step in and stop some of the more obvious corruption that right now isn't illegal.


Canada not having a meltdown has to do with a few things, and wouldnt not have been likely to have had one regardless of regulation or lack thereof. Plus there is a huge energy boom going on there, with international money flowing in at record rates with real demand remaining high in many areas funded by a very positive trade balance whereas the USA has a drastically negative trade balance and has been relying on the financial services segment of the economy to bring in foreign currency. Foreign currency that the USA had been printing and spending in many cases that needed reinvesting and hence found its way back to the USA financial services market ( so a lot technically wasnt foreign currency, but USD owned by foreigners )

That analogy is like saying there is something wrong with the traffic light at the busiest intersection of town because it has more accidents than the traffic light on a tiny sidestreet that gets 3 cars a day but had a camera on it.

And Vuldan WTFman?

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Nope..I am tired of the repeated hypocrasy which leaks from Sinij. I am done being nice about it. There comes a point in time when decisive action is required to belay the onslaught of political mentality which only serves to further degrade the fabric our country was built upon. I am reminded of that painfully today as I remember all my comrades in arms who were lost to ensure the freedoms that exist remain so.

Enough is enough. There is no singular point or perspective of the liberal agenda which has any value for our nation. None, nada. The conservative right is no better. It is time for dramatic change, and in the absence of compromise, there is no other option. I am sick to death of seeing the good of the country bent over because it offends someone or because one individuals belief system is offended. I am also sick to death of people believing they can act in whatever manner they wish without consequence. There are always consequences.

In these debates, it would seem that the repeated agenda of Sinij, except in rare discourse with you, is to spout infantile rhetoric. I am done with it. It was bad enough when Jet was involved, but at least his arguemments, while infuriating, were attempts at reasonable debate. Sinij fails on that front in almost every post with anyone except you.

I apparently do not have the political maturity to debate these points when solid evidence is repeatedly ignored and rebuffed with barely legible rhetoric. I suppose it would be best if I followed Jet's example and simply withdrew, but am loathe to give Sinij the satisfaction of even the appearance of a victory. It is an interesting predicament.


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Canada not having a meltdown has to do with a few things, and wouldnt not have been likely to have had one regardless of regulation or lack thereof.


I disagree. Canadian banking regulation is the only thing that delayed (there is still a chance that housing market might implode in Canada and cause lots of hurt in financial sector) or prevented repeat of US situation. Unlike some European banks that jumped on US derivatives bandwagon and also had to get bailed out by European governments, Canadian banks were simply not allowed to get involved in such non-banking activity.

If you want to point fault in Canadian banking and banking regulatory system you need to look at costs. It is significantly more expensive to bank in Canada. At this point it appears that these costs are justified.


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Originally Posted By: Vuldan
Nope..I am tired of the repeated hypocrasy which leaks from Sinij. I am done being nice about it. There comes a point in time when decisive action is required to belay the onslaught of political mentality which only serves to further degrade the fabric our country was built upon. I am reminded of that painfully today as I remember all my comrades in arms who were lost to ensure the freedoms that exist remain so.

Enough is enough. There is no singular point or perspective of the liberal agenda which has any value for our nation. None, nada. The conservative right is no better. It is time for dramatic change, and in the absence of compromise, there is no other option. I am sick to death of seeing the good of the country bent over because it offends someone or because one individuals belief system is offended. I am also sick to death of people believing they can act in whatever manner they wish without consequence. There are always consequences.

In these debates, it would seem that the repeated agenda of Sinij, except in rare discourse with you, is to spout infantile rhetoric. I am done with it. It was bad enough when Jet was involved, but at least his arguemments, while infuriating, were attempts at reasonable debate. Sinij fails on that front in almost every post with anyone except you.

I apparently do not have the political maturity to debate these points when solid evidence is repeatedly ignored and rebuffed with barely legible rhetoric. I suppose it would be best if I followed Jet's example and simply withdrew, but am loathe to give Sinij the satisfaction of even the appearance of a victory. It is an interesting predicament.



When you hit the bottom, let us know what you find there.


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When you hit the bottom, let us know what you find there.


Care to make rational sense for once?

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What do you see a rational response to someone going of the deep end, telling me I should kill myself, then later clarifying that I should be put down as a rabid dog solely based on my political convictions?

My response is satisfaction of being absolutely right about conservatives like you (I'd say all conservatives, but then Derid exists). Sadly you have no understanding what freedom and constitution means, despite touting it everywhere like some grotesque midget in a freak show.

Let me tell you what Freedom is - its not guns, its not Jesus, its not getting to keep all the money you earn. Freedom is an ability to have an idea, conviction or belief and not get prosecuted for it. When you attack, berate and threaten me solely based on my convictions you lose right to talk about freedom, because you seek to enslave me, convert me against my will, force me to agree with you or get rid of me.

Now go sober up and think about what you have done here.


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Interesting tirade, and were it not for the very real fact that you have committed as many attempts at trying to get others, myself included, to live within your view point, you would have a very valid points. I will grant you that.

I am as sober as a church mouse, and stand firmly beside my own conviction that your mentality and view points are a cancer driving through the heart of freedom. Your perspectives are as abhorrent as any fanatic without cause, and you have no authority, moral or otherwise, over how I get to spend my time. I would be more gratified were you simply to pack up your chair and return to the country you came from, rather than further infect my country with your abhorrent politics and incoherent sentence structure.

You can rant and rave all you wish, you can sit behind the anonymity of the internet and be puffed up with self rightous indignity that someone actually had the audacity to throw political correctness out the window and call you down for the self rightous ass you are.


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