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Sini #144008 02/06/18 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Owain
The complaints about the FBI have nothing to do with Meuller. Rather, they have to do with felony misrepresentations to the FISA courts over fraudulent warrant requests for surveillance.


"nothing to do with Meuller" is simply not true. You don't have to guess here, Trump is very open in communicating his mistaken belief that memo would kill the investigation. As such, it doesn't really matter what it is, trying to address it is tainted by corrupt intent.

Sure, FISA shouldn't exist. I hope you understand that Trump isn't trying to clamp down on FISA.


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Originally Posted by Sini
"nothing to do with Meuller" is simply not true. You don't have to guess here, Trump is very open in communicating his mistaken belief that memo would kill the investigation. As such, it doesn't really matter what it is, trying to address it is tainted by corrupt intent.

Sure, FISA shouldn't exist. I hope you understand that Trump isn't trying to clamp down on FISA.

Trump's opinion on the memo does not carry the force of law, but remains his Constitutionally protected right of freedom of expression, just the same as you enjoy. If he chooses to act in an official capacity on that, he would have to comply with applicable laws. Until then, the President can use the Bully Pulpit as he sees fit.

Trump shouldn't need to clamp down on FISA, but he should ensure that criminal laws related to abuse of the FISA process are prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and based on the memo, the abuses appear to be many at the very highest positions of the FBI and the Justice Department.

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Fake news sharing in US is a rightwing thing

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Low-quality, extremist, sensationalist and conspiratorial news published in the US was overwhelmingly consumed and shared by rightwing social network users, according to a new study from the University of Oxford.


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Then why do companies like CNN repeatedly write such poorly researched, poorly documented, poorly verified stories, requiring frequent corrections, retractions, and dismissals of offenders?

https://gop.com/the-highly-anticipated-2017-fake-news-awards/

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2017 was a year of unrelenting bias, unfair news coverage, and even downright fake news. Studies have shown that over 90% of the media’s coverage of President Trump is negative.


Genuinely curious what those two sentences have to do with each other

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Originally Posted by Owain
Then why do companies like CNN repeatedly write such poorly researched, poorly documented, poorly verified stories


In general terms, this could happen to any news organization.

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requiring frequent corrections, retractions, and dismissals of offenders?


This is where you are mislead, they are not frequent or repeated. Still, you picket CNN as your example. There are much better journalistic organizations. Like NYT. Like The Atlantic. What does Right has that still could be called journalism? If I were to give out some kind of journalism award to the right wing media, what would be the contenders? Breitbart? Fox?

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Originally Posted by Brutal
Originally Posted by gop.com
2017 was a year of unrelenting bias, unfair news coverage, and even downright fake news. Studies have shown that over 90% of the media’s coverage of President Trump is negative.


Genuinely curious what those two sentences have to do with each other



1. Some media's news are false
2. Most Trump coverage is negative
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Therefore, Trump's negative coverage is false

What is logical fallacy for $200.


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Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Owain
Then why do companies like CNN repeatedly write such poorly researched, poorly documented, poorly verified stories


In general terms, this is happens to any news organization.

Originally Posted by Owain
requiring frequent corrections, retractions, and dismissals of offenders?


This is where you are mislead, they are not frequent. Still, you picket CNN as your example. There are much better journalistic organizations. Like NYT. Like The Atlantic. What does Right has that still could be called journalism?

There are multiple examples at the link. Four I think. One is too many. And they all break one way. If they screwed up equally right and left, that might be attributed to incompetence (which is still highly probable).

What did Goldfinger say?

Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

Four times, in just what was quoted in the awards list.


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Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Brutal
Originally Posted by gop.com
2017 was a year of unrelenting bias, unfair news coverage, and even downright fake news. Studies have shown that over 90% of the media’s coverage of President Trump is negative.


Genuinely curious what those two sentences have to do with each other



1. Some media's news are false
2. Most Trump coverage is negative
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Therefore, Trump's negative coverage is false

What is logical fallacy for $200.


There is nothing wrong with negative coverage. Negative coverage that is false is a different kettle of fish.


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