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Derid #141885 10/14/17 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Derid
Pretending that it is, is intellectually dishonest.


This is endemic problem with many movements, and the root of derision pointed at SJW. They take up a cause and use it as an excuse to harass, censor, cause mayhem and violence and have people like rhaikh blindly endorse it because it is "for a cause". Interestingly, I recently read an expose on ANTIFA where a number of ex-fascists joined their ranks because it was easier to get away with violence as ANTIFA.

For example, ANTIFA attacking journalists covering their protests. Straight out of brown shirts book. Yet you have rhaikh condoning such behaviors because it is for a good cause. Then he will be asking himself where we went wrong when we slide to Erdogan-style totalitarianism.


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Tell you what, in the interest of ending this unproductive """debate""" I propose a resolution. I feel this is a good resolution because I honestly don't believe anymore that either of you actually espouse the positions you are defending, but would rather argue about SJWs or Antifa or some other nonsense.

I'll donate $50 to the Southern Poverty Law Center.


If you can make a convincing case that they deserve it, I'll donate $50 in your name(s) to one of the "neo-confederate" organizations listed here (including the UDC):

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2000/neo-confederates


Or, if you prefer, an additional donation to SPLC.

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I have no idea what neo-confederate organizations are out there, I doubt any of them are worthwhile. Personally I support ACLU and EFF.


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Originally Posted by rhaikh
Tell you what, in the interest of ending this unproductive """debate""" I propose a resolution. I feel this is a good resolution because I honestly don't believe anymore that either of you actually espouse the positions you are defending, but would rather argue about SJWs or Antifa or some other nonsense.

I'll donate $50 to the Southern Poverty Law Center.


If you can make a convincing case that they deserve it, I'll donate $50 in your name(s) to one of the "neo-confederate" organizations listed here (including the UDC):

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2000/neo-confederates


Or, if you prefer, an additional donation to SPLC.



I'm genuinely curious which position you think I am defending?

Statues and flags were never the important part of this discussion, that's what you don't seem to understand.

WAPO: Corrosion of support for First Amendment

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Bizarrely, 62 percent of college students had the mistaken belief that, under the First Amendment, an on-campus organization hosting an “offensive” speaker is legally required to ensure that there is also a speaker who presents an opposing viewpoint.


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Most disconcerting, the Brookings survey found that 19 percent said it is acceptable for a student group to use violence to prevent a guest speaker it opposes from appearing on campus.


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In this same vein, a Pew Research Center study from 2015 found that 40 percent of millennials are okay with government preventing people from making unspecified statements that are “offensive to minority groups.”


The issue here has and always has been the tactics of the psycho left, and the response generated and/or embolded from the wacked right.

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Republicans were most intolerant of speech and most likely to favor authoritarian laws to punish it on the subject of burning or desecrating the American flag: Seventy-two percent of Republicans believe that should be illegal (along with 46 percent of Democrats).


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Only 59 percent believe that religious freedom should apply to all religious groups. Among those between the ages of 18 to 29, just 49 percent support equal protection for all religious faiths, compared to over 60 percent for every other age group.


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Just 37 percent of Americans think the mainstream media does not invent stories, while the rest are undecided.


You cry straw man and all sorts of other BS when confronted with the tactics, and emphasis of the psycho-left, while doing your best to dodge the real issues. Which aren't statues. Our Republic is in grave danger, and the people who are fixating on both sides of the statue issue are the symptoms.

As an aside, did it really never occur to you that using your own logic, you could be accused of a more insidious racism and propagation of "white power" than anyone here? By diverting attention away from real issues of incarceration and treatment of minorities by law enforcement, it could easily be said that you are supporting pursuit of red herrings in favor of keeping public scrutiny away from things that actually matter in peoples' lives, and are the one truly distracting from real issues of race.


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Future historians and archeologist will attribute fall of American empire to this or that disaster or war. In reality it is getting to the point that defending what we collectively have is less important than sticking it to the other side is what going to bring it down. Collectively, so far, right have done a lot more damage than left - just look at the office of POTUS for evidence.


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Originally Posted by Sini
Future historians and archeologist will attribute fall of American empire to this or that disaster or war. In reality it is getting to the point that defending what we collectively have is less important than sticking it to the other side is what going to bring it down. Collectively, so far, right have done a lot more damage than left - just look at the office of POTUS for evidence.


Yeah, Trump has been pretty damaging. Honestly, doling out exact proportions of blame feels a bit like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic at this point. Or trying to figure out whose responsibility it was to dodge that iceberg as icy waters begin seeping into the bridge.

The wacked right's electoral success has been greater in recent years, but the outsized corrosive effects on education and media by the psycho-left cannot be discounted either.


For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)
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I fondly remember past when it was clearly all your fault.

Degradation of civics in education is simply unforgivable. I can't even attempt to defend it. Today's left is exactly what Berkeley protested in 60s.


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I'm tired of your false dichotomy Derid. I chimed in when I saw broad support, or at bare minimum tolerance, in this forum for the right's bullshit dog whistle historical argument to keep racist statues. Of course I care about free speech, the justice system, health care, near earth asteroids and all the rest. I just refused to let you take my debate elsewhere, because that's not the reason I'm here. I paid my $50 to SPLC and I hope they use it to continue to fight hate groups and their tactics, in all forms, including statues.


The Nazis in Charlottesville chant "you will not replace us." Not "this statue."

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Manafort indictment is very damning, if true shows clear connection between Trump and Russia.


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