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Hillary remains in felony violation of several federal laws. Do you think she should be prosecuted, or are an unconditional Hillary supporter?

Members of the Obama administration are in felony violation of FISA laws covering unmasking of U.S. citizens. Do you think they should be prosecuted, or are you an unconditional Obama supporter.

These are not hypothetical situations, but actual felony violations of federal law.


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Who are you asking this of? I'm not an unconditional support of anyone, much less Hillary, Obama, Trump, or any other politician or their appointees. And yes, I think that any of them that violate(d) the law should be prosecuted. Any of them

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Originally Posted by Owain

what is your stand on the subject of Elizabeth Warren and canibalism?


If Warren is believed to be engaged in cannibalism, based on the balance of probabilities, I would not support her holding any elected office.

Your turn.

If Trump is believed to be engaged in collusion with Russia, based on the balance of probabilities, would you still support him?


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Originally Posted by Owain
Hillary remains in felony violation of several federal laws. Do you think she should be prosecuted, or are an unconditional Hillary supporter?


I think she should be prosecuted for any felonies she committed. There is likely a lot of skeletons in a lot of Saudi closets. However, in case of email server scandal, the chance of conviction from impartial trial is extremely low - the intent to harm is simply not there. As such, incompetence in this case will likely be unbeatable defense.

Email scandal is evidence of incompetence, unfitness to be POTUS, but not of any kind criminal behavior.


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Collusion is not a crime, so no.

Hillary colluded with the Russians with her Reset Button. Obama colluded with the Russians when he promised greater 'flexibility' after the election.

Why didn't you object to either of those?


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Originally Posted by Owain
Collusion is not a crime, so no.

Hillary colluded with the Russians with her Reset Button. Obama colluded with the Russians when he promised greater 'flexibility' after the election.

Why didn't you object to either of those?


I don't think we have same definition of collusion.

I have no problem with Trump trying to reset diplomatic relationship with Russia. I actually think it is good idea, considering that cooperation with Russia could be beneficial in Middle East.

I would have a problem with Trump receiving assistance, in form of intel and leaks, from Russian spies during elections. I also believe doing so is criminal, not simply amoral.

Now, if Trump, already POTUS, received intel from Russian spies. That would be diplomacy.

The difference is that in one case Trump personally benefited, and in another case he is acting on behalf of US government.



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Cite for me the federal criminal statute that makes collusion, if any, a crime?

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Originally Posted by Owain
Cite for me the federal criminal statute that makes collusion, if any, a crime?

The Federal Election Campaign Act

It isn't that Trump talked with Russians that is the issue here. It is that he is quite possibly received help from Russians to get elected.

Talking = OK, Talking and lying about talking - Maybe OK, Getting help = not OK, knowingly getting help = felony.


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Originally Posted by Owain


Did he receive something from foreign representatives?


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