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Sini #141108 07/26/17 07:25 PM
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Can we get back to our Quixotic search for Owain's red line on Trump?

Owain, please clarify to best of your ability what kind of breaking of the law and what degree of proof would be sufficient for you to stop supporting Trump.


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Originally Posted by Sini
Can we get back to our Quixotic search for Owain's red line on Trump?

Owain, please clarify to best of your ability what kind of breaking of the law and what degree of proof would be sufficient for you to stop supporting Trump.


I see Sini is still trying to start false narratives. The Troll is strong in this one.

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Stupid hypotheticals are stupid.


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Originally Posted by Brutal
Not sure if you didn't follow the link, or don't keep up with current affairs..

This has nothing to do with his decision regarding service in the armed forces. With the recommendations of senior military advisors, the Commander in Chief has determined that admitting transsexuals to the military is detrimental to combat effectiveness. This is not a military problem. This is a societal problem. Society is conflicted on this topic, and the military is a reflection of society as a whole. When we as a society have corrected the problem, the decision can be revisited.

If there was credible evidence that recruiting left handed Norwegians named Lars would serve to improve combat effectiveness, we should do a lot of that, too. In the meantime, anything that detracts from combat effectiveness has no place in the military.


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Originally Posted by Goriom
Forcing millions to lose their plans with no proper replacement is going to lead to the death of many of your fellow Americans. How can you support this?

Millions won't lose their insurance. They will freely choose for themselves whether they want to buy insurance or not. When the government stops FORCING them to buy insurance with the individual mandate, people will be able to choose not to buy insurance without worrying about the IRS coming after them.

"At the outset, it's because some consumers would choose not to buy insurance if they're not penalized for lacking it. "CBO and [the Joint Committee on Taxation] estimate that, in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under the legislation than under current law. Most of that increase would stem from repealing the penalties associated with the individual mandate," the report reads. "Some of those people would choose not to have insurance because they chose to be covered by insurance under current law only to avoid paying the penalties, and some people would forgo insurance in response to higher premiums."

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Originally Posted by Goriom
Originally Posted by Owain

The purpose of the Armed Forces is to kill people, break things, and win wars. Things that do not contribute to our combat capability have no place in the military.

So is it safe to assume your stance is that people who are transgender are incapable of contributing to our combat capability? Are they subhumans or something? I don't get your point here, please clarify.

It is not that they are incapable of contribution. Inclusion of the transgendered creates more problems than it solves, and in the opinion of senior military advisors, reduces combat effectiveness.

This is not a military problem, and it cannot be solved by the military. This is a problem with society as a whole. Until our society addresses the problem, if it presents a drag on combat effectiveness, the new policy should remain in place.

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As far as the benefits Trump has accomplished so far, they are legion, starting with the steady dismemberment of failed Democratic policies, dismantling the regulatory system of unnecessary and intrusive regulations, and judicial appointments of jurists who will interpret and enforce laws as written.

He has done a good job of making good on the promises for which he was elected. Goals that require cooperation with Congress, a co-equal branch of government, remain underway.


Originally Posted by Goriom
Any example of anything hes done positive for the country? You basically aren't saying anything here.


He is supported by the voters who elected him. This is why we have elections, to determine who formulates policy. In the opinions of the voters who elected him, his policies benefit the country. That is what elected officials are supposed to do, abide by the wishes of their constituents.


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Let's be real, he was elected for the following reasons:

He ran as a Republican
He ran against Hillary Clinton
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He had some sort of platform

The first two are the only ones that really matter, but I included the distant 3rd one for the sake of arguing your statement. So let's go through this line by line.

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He is supported by the voters who elected him.


WAS. Or at least "...is supported by SOME..." Latest Gallup puts his job approval rating at 39%. Simple math would indicate that a large portion of those who voted for him are unhappy with his performance so far.

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This is why we have elections, to determine who formulates policy. In the opinions of the voters who elected him, his policies benefit the country.


The first sentence is true! If that 3rd reason I listed mattered to some of the voters, then the 2nd statement is also true, but only if you rephrase it to say, "...the policies he promised benefit the country." The distinction is important I think, since so far none of the major policies he promised have been successfully implemented.

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That is what elected officials are supposed to do, abide by the wishes of their constituents.


This is also true, and if you can name with a straight face a single politician who has done this in our lifetimes, then I will quietly exit this pointless conversation. Including this statement as part of your argument makes you sound foolish.

Lastly, the rumblings in the news today seem to indicate that the President's tweet about transgenders in the military was at best (as usual) ready-fire-aim, as none of his subordinates in the actual military or defense department have anything resembling marching orders regarding this policy. Is it too much to ask to keep policy decisions off twitter until they are finalized? Speaking of twitter, this guy's tweet history is packed full of gems. A few industrious people with an axe to grind mine and regularly post them here when he flatly contradicts himself. Amusing.

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Yes, lets get real indeed. This didn't happen because Democratic policies were just so very popular.

If you want to know who looks foolish, it's Democrats who will not admit to their current electoral collapse.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...ats-gop-dominance-state-legislatures-all


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Originally Posted by Owain
If you want to know who looks foolish, it's Democrats who will not admit to their current electoral collapse.


I still think its funny that when Trump is criticized, you just lower the bar by pointing to bad Dems.

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Originally Posted by Owain
If you want to know who looks foolish, it's Democrats who will not admit to their current electoral collapse.


I still think its funny that when Trump is criticized, you just lower the bar by pointing to bad Dems.


And you keep turning the conversation away from the point he is making with Trump is bad statements.

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