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Derid #140227 04/13/17 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Derid
This makes me scratch my head a bit, because my whole point is that there is no good evidence for anything. Instead of advocating a knee-jerk reaction based on something really vague, I'm simply pointing out that both the sensible and Constitutional courses of action lie in waiting and seeing.

Sure, so instead of waiting for solid evidence, let's just throw in a really vague 4 year old story for which there is no evidence of involvement. That's the ticket! This is me, helping!!!
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On another note, I'm honestly and truly surprised to see self-identifying conservatives so vehement about enlisting the armed forces of the USA in the service of ISIS and their ilk.

Concern troll is concerned.

Noted.

One cannot help but feel touched.

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Originally Posted by Owain
Originally Posted by Derid
This makes me scratch my head a bit, because my whole point is that there is no good evidence for anything. Instead of advocating a knee-jerk reaction based on something really vague, I'm simply pointing out that both the sensible and Constitutional courses of action lie in waiting and seeing.

Sure, so instead of waiting for solid evidence, let's just throw in a really vague 4 year old story for which there is no evidence of involvement. That's the ticket! This is me, helping!!!
Originally Posted by Derid

On another note, I'm honestly and truly surprised to see self-identifying conservatives so vehement about enlisting the armed forces of the USA in the service of ISIS and their ilk.

Concern troll is concerned.

Noted.

One cannot help but feel touched.



Erm.... I'm not the one with the knee-jerk reaction, like launching missiles.... I'm not the one who didn't wait for evidence, not that it matters either way. There likely wont ever be any evidence of worth, the first casualty of war is always the truth. Anyhow, I'm not sure you quite understand what I have been saying.

And no, that wasn't a concern troll in the slightest. I am genuinely flabbergasted and mortified that anyone is so interested in helping ISIS, just like I was some years back when Hillary, McCain and Obama were trying to beat the war drums for an intervention. My positions and principles haven't changed just because the President's affiliation is (R) instead of (D)

(R and D standing for the Retard and Dumbass parties, if the past 15 years is any indication)

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Now my first reaction to a statement as foolish and silly as that was one of amazement, but then no, I thought surely you must have said that based upon exact knowledge.

So by all means, reveal all you know of the satellite intelligence, the communications intercepts, the human intelligence assets in place, the reports from the CIA, NSA, military intelligence, and the rest of the sum total of intelligence assets of the United States available to the President.

I'll wait...


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So how about a proof of wiretapping of Candidate Trump by President Obama?


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So "court" and "of aide" is the same thing as "Obama" and "of Trump"?


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Originally Posted by Sini
So "court" and "of aide" is the same thing as "Obama" and "of Trump"?

I'm sure the Obama administration isn't to blame, did they even do anything wrong during his 8 years?

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Originally Posted by Sini
So "court" and "of aide" is the same thing as "Obama" and "of Trump"?

In order to submit a FISA request, the Justice Department, under the control of the Obama administration, has to petition the court in person in order for a FISA warrant to be granted. A FISA warrant was granted, and the communications of the aide were placed under surveillance. Aides communicate with their principals, so when Trump's conversations with his aide are being monitored by the Obama administration, then he is correct to accuse the administration of wire tapping him, unless you are going to insist on something stupid, like since Obama didn't personally have an ear to a microphone, no surveillance took place.


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Owain, this is stretch too far to count even as a face-saving dodge. Considering that Trump accusations were very specific - this was supposed to be Watergate-style monitoring, not legal DOJ investigation of someone thrice-removed.


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What the heck is going in California? Did crazed left forgot what democratic political process supposed to mean? That you can't just violently attack as a form of disagreement?


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