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Sini #139395 12/22/16 11:15 PM
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Yeah no one is saying gerrymandering isn't a thing, but to do Picasso , a party still has to control the whole state level process.

When the Democrats lose the Governership, state house, and state senate, in a former swing state like Ohio - it's due to the party, and its message. Especially when it occurs in so many states. It is unfortunate that Democrats don't want to be an inclusive party, and it isn't going to serve anyone.

A handful more statehouse trifectas, and, even if, implausibly, the Democrats retook the presidency and both houses of congress, the GOP could still call a convention, and with 38 states in accordance, change the Constitution directly - entirely bypassing the will of voters in CA, NY, and other Democrat strongholds.


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Seriously though, there is a difference between limited govt and weak govt.



There might be, but 99% of calls for small government are calls for weak government that doesn't prosecute white collar, doesn't protect environment, and doesn't provide any safety nets.


I wonder if that's true. Honestly, it is hard to say. Everything is so muddied and muddled these days. People say and mean one thing, others hear and interpret another. Sometimes because they think that the original speaker is mistaken in their premise, sometimes because they simply misinterpret their intent.

Maybe it would be fun to drop all the depressing Trump and Dem/GOP stuff for a bit, and try a different discussion tack, just for the sake of trying something new. I have an idea, will make another thread once I finish figuring out the details.


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Originally Posted By: Derid
Yeah no one is saying gerrymandering isn't a thing, but to do Picasso , a party still has to control the whole state level process.

When the Democrats lose the Governership, state house, and state senate, in a former swing state like Ohio - it's due to the party, and its message. Especially when it occurs in so many states. It is unfortunate that Democrats don't want to be an inclusive party, and it isn't going to serve anyone.

A handful more statehouse trifectas, and, even if, implausibly, the Democrats retook the presidency and both houses of congress, the GOP could still call a convention, and with 38 states in accordance, change the Constitution directly - entirely bypassing the will of voters in CA, NY, and other Democrat strongholds.


Absolutely. The Democrats ignored the spending in state races and lost the ability to impact gerrymandering. It has all been downhill since then.


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Sorry but you are wrong. They are elected by popular vote. How the districts are organized is a different issue.
Both sides use the same strategies, to keep bringing up 2012 is disingenuous.

I get it, its hard when you lose. You seem to forget that the Dems had all 3 when Obama was elected the first time. I didn't see you complain about redistricting then.

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The Presidents of Disunited States

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The Egyptian government submits to the UN Security Council a resolution against Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. This raises the possibility that the Obama administration could express its opposition to Israeli settlement policy by abstaining from the vote, rather than vetoing the resolution as it had with a similar one in 2011. Enraged Israeli officials call up Donald Trump, who tweets that the United States should veto. Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, the president of Egypt, abruptly calls off the vote. A day later, Malaysia, New Zealand, Senegal, and Venezuela reintroduce the resolution, which comes to a vote and is adopted by the Security Council, including Egypt, with the United States abstaining.


What a mess. Geopolitics by tweets.


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Absolutely. The Democrats ignored the spending in state races and lost the ability to impact gerrymandering. It has all been downhill since then.

The wages of incompetence. It's not like anything important was at stake.

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So is Ford building cars in Michigan instead of Mexico

A win for Trump?

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This is unfortunate, but not surprising.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...mocracy/512525/


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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

US now third-world battlefield for proxy war between Russian/Ukranian superpowers. Lulz.


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This is unfortunate, but not surprising.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...mocracy/512525/


While I don't agree with conclusions, I do agree with many of his observations. This is why in 2016 I mailed my last ever tax to IRS. Sayonara.


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