I know everyone wants to get out and fight, explore, etc. This is not the time for that. This is the time for all of us to raise our STATS by farming for the city, and working on PVP tactics.
The players that will win the day are the ones that team together, and most importantly have the stats to support it. Here are some suggestions:

1) Work with folks that play the same time you do, and try to pick skills and specs that complement each other (1 Melee, 1 Range, magic, etc.)

2) Work for yourself, but donate at least 50% to the guild to build our city to the point that it can defend itself. This will allow us to train undisturbed. We need to get the rest of our buildings, walls, and guard tower.

3) LISTEN to those in charge. This does not bean be a zombie, this means make suggestions, etc, but try and follow the lead of your party leader. Again, working together as a tight knit team is the way to go!

4) DONT REINVENT THE WHEEL. Ask our Beta Vets, and stay focused.

I am sure that many of you have things to say about this subject, and I look forward to your questions and comments in this thread.

Guys, also, as Jet said, a critical factor in future battles will be what skills each side has:

• At level 99 (at least for magic) skills get a HUGE boost, problem is it's obviously incredibly boring to say, beat someone with a sword over and over for 99 levels, or to cast 75000 (a ROUGH approximation I calculated) Mana Missles into the air.
• Some of the more powerful weapon/magic skills (both passive and active) require stats such as 50 strength, or 75 int, or whatever. The most efficient way to raise these values are by gathering resources

So what I did last night is this:
While I was home and "active" I chose to work on some homework I had due today. While I did this, I was macro-harvesting until my tools would break. I went through one mining pick, and one axe, all in all I got around 40 iron, 75 stone, and 180 wood or so. I donated all the stone, and I believe kept some wood and iron to try my hand at crafting later today. Once I convert the timber into logs or logs into timber or whatever, and the iron into ingots, I'll dump it into the guild bank.

When I was out, I AFK macroed into a wall.

All in all, although I haven't checked the stats since I went to sleep (server is down) my Strength and Vitality went up by about 1.5, Intelligence and Wisdom went up by about 1, I took Mana Missile, Self Heal, and Lesser Magic from level 15 to level 31 or so, my Sprint went up from about 20 to 30, and rest went from about 25 to 40.

Helping the guild out doesn't have to be a burden. If your wife is making you do chores at the moment, you're not going to be playing the game anyway, leave a harvest macro going on, and come back every 5-10 minutes to switch to a new rock or tree. Maybe watch TV with your kid or something as you do this. Do homework, or a pending project for work.

When you actually have time to play it: I made about 600 gold yesterday, and as Jet said, just gave 50% of it to the guild because since I just started out I have a lot of skills and tools I need to buy soon.

When you wouldn't be playing the game for extended time though, be it because of sleep, work, whatever, do yourself a favor and run a weapon skill macro.

When you can't be right at your keyboard all the time, but will still be sort of active, be it because of chores, TV, a movie at home, (sex*? ), do the guild a favor and run a harvesting macro.

*Don't set up a macro before getting your lady to bed. There is nothing that kills the mood like thinking of a video game as she's laying naked in bed :P

All very good points guys and I will just say I second them. It is frustrating watching so many people working on other stats at this time. It is like a kid with his hands up agains the window when he is grounded. Watching all the other kids play. If we all do our part we will get the city up faster and we can all have more time to work on the "fun" stuff.

If you feel that is too much to ask then at least agree to if you plan to play for 4 hours then 2 of those you will devote to the guild harvesting.

I also feel the same message should be heard by our allies. If I can't bind at my own city then I certainly hope that those taking up bind spots are assisting with resource gathering. Tonight is my gaming night. I will probably get in 8 hours of gaming. I commit to the guild that 4 of those will be harvesting wood and stone.

Let me know what harvesting tools you need and I will hook you up.


My groups have been donating 100% of the gold, 100% of the junk, and we're passing out the armor and weapon drops that are needed. Rest is banked.

I dont know if i am right or not, but here is my opinion.

I do believe that building our city is very important, but also we need to have some fun. THere are some of us that dont mind farming for resources, but there are others that hate it. I dont want people to get burnt out and feel that the game is not fun anymore. I think that we need to take one or two days off of farming for resources to do what you want to do. I know that primetime, some would probably like to go out and pvp, and we should encourage people to have fun sometimes, and not just farm for gold, lumber, stone or iron.

That is just my opinion.


On a side note, i would like the guild to pass out more of the crafting items. I know i have made a tone of arrows, but there are people asking me for some, i have no way of getting those arrows to those that are in need. I have no problem farming for these resources, but there is no one more important in this guild than any other, so i believe that things need to be spread out.

Also, farming for the city is important, but we also need to keep our warriors happy, they are important in other ways than just building this city.

Last, i think that if there are problems with people contributing, i think that those people need to be talked to directly, and not just make a blanket statement. Yesterday, i heard there was a comment of some people taking more than they contribute, and i know one person felt that this was directed at him/her. I know for a fact that this person has probably donated more of his/her gold to the city than anyone, and this person felt slighted. So, if leadership feels there is a problem, they need to discuss it amongst leadership, and talk to these people directly. I feel that leadership is not talking to each other before making decisions, and even though they are in a leadership position, everything that deals with the guild, they need to talk to each other and come up with a group decision. What one person thinks is wrong, the other leaders may not, and that one person can make a lot of problems.

These are just my opinions let me know what you think.

I'd love to join one of those groups when you're running them, Dunlop. I'll be home in a few minutes and I'll tell you what I need, I think I still have one or two mining picks and one or two axes in my bank, but I'll check and post.

At the moment I have 2 axes, 2 picks, and 1 sickle, so I could use a sickle if you can spare it. I'll post again or send a message when I break my tools.

Dude I have like 15 sickles hit me when we are on at the same time. I will toss a few in the guild vault. About once an hour I announce that I am making a toolbox run. It takes less than 15 minutes and we hit 2 tool boxes and a treasure chest. Usually come home with 5-6 random tools and 10 gold. That is a lot of saving if people were to just go buy the tools. I encourage all to go with me on these runs. I will announce it in vent and on clan chat 5 mins before I go from now on.

I have put a lot of axes/pickaxes in the guild vault, didn't know there was also a need for sickles. I will add some when I get home. If I log on before 2 that is my wife setting up a macro for me - if I am not in vent I am not there (fyi)

Jetstar is right, and while it is important to have fun; we've got to think of the long haul.

Thing about it is, leadership isn't ramming it down people's throat to contribute like *cough* other guilds, there are slight suggestions here and there and, to be honest, we've been trucking along at a nice pace, to build the city. As more and more of our KGBers get in, (whenever that happens) it'll get easier and easier for this stuff, and in the meanwhile, I'm in now, so we'll form groups and get the necessary resources required.

Plus, gathering resources is an efficent way to skill-up strength, so its not like your wasting your time.

Gathering, lets face it, is boring; and no matter how many macros you run, unless you memorized how long it takes from node to node, you have to be at your computer every 5-10 minutes to switch. We should be talking it up in vent, sharing information, talking about pvp tactics, and other suggestions that come up - especially since people still are getting acclimated to one another.

I personally passed out 500 arrows to different guild members yesterday alone. All they have to do is ask.



I'm sorry that you feel this way, but it is incorrect. We are talking about every major decision before it is made. Derid is great at getting all of our opinions and then making an educated decision.



Wonderful. I've been running them pretty much every night. I'll be home at about 4 or 5 CST this afternoon and will promptly start a group that I hope lasts most of the night. I'll give you tool as soon as I get on. In the meantime, all leadership has access to retrieve items from the clan vault and they can help you if I'm not around.

Sorry I had to wait till my lunch break before I could reply to this one. I understand where you are coming from Lenny but simply put I would disagree.

I applied to KGB. I read through the list of rules and regulations, filled out an app and was honored that I was accepted. This isn’t a guild that says hey come join us to just anyone. They have a very strict policy of who they recruit and when. I feel by being accepted into KGB this is a privilege and not a right.

When I took that oath to become a member of KGB I swore to do what is best for the guild because in turn what is best for the guild is also best for me. That being said:

If one isn’t willing to keep the guilds better interest in mind, why would they apply to KGB in the first place? I do not think our leadership is asking too much of us. We have been at this what 10 days? Look how far we have come? Look how much further we would be if people did not have their own agendas. If people do not want to contribute at all and just want to do their own thing then there are plenty of people without guild tags running around out there lost with no purpose that will be quitting soon.

That may sound harsh and by all means people should have fun when they are playing. But isn’t a little bit of sacrifice in the beginning of this games launch worth the frustration when a couple weeks down the road we will have a fully fortified city and all can enjoy hunting together. We work together – we reap the rewards together. We fight together, we die together. That is why I joined KGB. A tight unit of people working together to be the best. Sounds like a commercial but I mean it.

Those who have contributed already are tired but seeing results, those who haven’t I would encourage to drop what you are doing and put in an hour or 2 of resource gathering for your guild. No one is going to crack a whip and make you do something but then you have to ask do you really want to be a part of KGB or are you just in a guild because it makes life easier on you?

Lenny you have put an ass load of time making arrows for the guild – it doesn’t go unnoticed – you have put thousands of arrows in there. Jet has farmed his ass off since day one. Many others as well. The only reason I can see farming being frustrating, is for those farming resources look around and seeing all the people “having fun “ around them. It’s not fair but we deal with it and farm away. I am guilty of this myself the last 2 days I spent running around because I wanted to figure out why the hell I am so god awful at fighting. Then out of frustration I mine some more and watch my strength increase, my damage begins to rise and then I smile because all of a sudden I can kill mobs and realize this grind is very beneficial.

In the EU release I think it has been reasonably lenient as far as people not gathering. In the NA launch I am 100% for the whip coming out. Look how far we have come so fast – think about how far and fast we can come with everyone focused on the same goals.



Okay so this is a long winded way of saying. Everyone suck it up and gather resources a bit. Do your part for the guild and we will all enjoy playing together when that time comes. We have come a long way in the first few days. I will be heading up tool box runs when I am on all are welcome to come along – on those runs we can kill what’s in our way (5 kobalds, 2 minatours and a centour or 2) – then we recall back and harvest more

Pickaxe in one hand, beer in the other....let’s get er done.

I guess you also have to look at why the other people decided to play this game. I was just stating an opinion.

And also, the game has been going on for more than 10 days for some of those in Beta, they worked hard to understand the game and get as far as they could. I am just worried about people getting burnt out to quick and not having fun at the game. I dont mind gathering, that is all i have done, but there are those that would like to go out and do their own thing once and awhile.

As to Dunlop, i do know that there have been ocassions that things have been said that were not discussed with other leaders. Also, there are some people that are not getting any arrows, and i have probably donated 6-8000 arrows, i am not sure, i never counted.

Well, the thing is, since we don't even have the full membership in the game; and some of our NA rivals havn't even gotten the game yet - there's not much to be decided.

I do agree that we shouldn't get burnt out, but there is a reality that we need to be facing ...

This is a land rush. We've been lucky since we don't have any direct rivals near us, but that won't be the case in the NA release. This isn't a "farm forever" thing, this is a "farm till we get the walls and basics of the city up." Believe me, like in Shadowbane, there will be PLENTY of time to have fun. Hell, after the city is built, what else is there to do but raid our enemies' town?

Sure, we could do better communicating and organizing; but that's more of a byproduct of lots of people not having the game yet, and not having played a REAL open pvp game in awhile. You just can't jump on the horse after years of playing subpar MMOs and expect to be the sharpest tool in the shed in day one. There's a lot of A+ guildmates still waiting to get the game, and once we get our city and crafters up, I have no doubt we'll be organizing pvp so much, it'll blow your mind. (:hint: i have the game now :hint:)

We just need to keep talking in vent, inform those that are out of the loop, and keep people communicating to each other.

The rest will come in time imho.


-Syloc

I understand the City is a grind, but nothing, I mean nothing would damage guild moral more than having our city destroyed and or taken from us. Right now we are VERY VULNERABLE!

We need to push to get the KEEP to T3 and to get the guard towers up to protect our macroers and training.

Last night I saw two challenges, which means that Guilds are already going after cities.

Stay focused, and most importantly have fun. Success is in out grasp is we do.

i agree, but we also have to read the emotions of others, and decide what is best, what i want and what you want are two different things, but we have to work things to benefit each other, and that is what i am talking about.

I will be talking to leadership today about an issue that i have seen, because there have been hurt feelings, and i just want to make sure things dont escalate.

That is most important Lenny. PLEASE tell whomever it is that I am open to talk 24/7. If I can help, just email me directly at adaniel@us.ibm.com.

I appreciate everyone's comments and even when you seem to disagree we are all really in agreement at the task at hand.

One of the reason's for the post could be that, while we have more people entering the game, our prime time harvesting was at a low last night. Or maybe it just seemed that way to me.

I am not really worried about the new accounts coming on - I know they are pumped up to get into the pvp but as Vyse and others have said in this thread - they will get owned by mobs and players until they raise their stats.

For me that's the bottom line - log and mine will pump your stats into the tolerable range and you will be able to kill mobs and players. Until your stats get raised you are going to be frustrated with the fights you engage in.

The biggest grumbling I hear constantly is over our allies being in town. They are taking up bind spots that guildies need. The complaint's I hear are about their contribution to our effort and since no one knows what they are contributing the grumbling has started. Someone threatened to kill one the other day in town - not sure if they were stressed in RL but the response was way out of context with what's happening.

Imho we should set up a simple formula for the allied groups so that they know what their contribution is and ask them to meet it. At the same time we should put out a simple statement that we they have committed to meeting our expectations and are on track. This bit of information may cool down some of the folks who are complaining.

Everything for KGB in DFO is going fantastic. We are getting more members in every single day. The work that EVERYONE has and is contributing is making us very successful. BTW ask Pirate what he saw in the Blood and Sun cities last night. They started with the bugged mob gold to get their towns but they are empty of buildings.

Our combined efforts have put us on the fast track in DFO and we should be relishing this success, in between swings!

FYI - I contribute everything I can to the guild and hardly ever loot so I don't have any coin BUT if you need something you can't get and nothing is available in the guild vault send me a tell and I will help you get it if I can.

Str 23.0
Vit 21.7
Dex 20.3
Quick28.5
Int 26.9
Wis 24.6

Best skill in game is Parry remap your V key and use it every fight. Even at low levels, with a shield, you will take very little damage when using it.

Parry 35.8 and I can tank 2 high lvl mobs at once and take very little damage as long as I have stam.

We were on an island last night and I took almost no damage from a high lvl golem banging on my shield.

I strongly agree with this. The honor system is OK, but having a contract in writing about exactly what every party expects will help a lot with the trust issues we have.

Especially for RUS Corp. They have been mobbing our city since the alliance. I am fine with them helping us against SUN, but we need to see some open, publicized taxation going on for use of our facilities until they get their own. It would be a shame if we helped them into a city to get nothing in return.

we get their swords! more or less