I took their suggestion on map area, simply because it looked interesting enough and we had to pick one area to initially focus on.

Cozy setup with UDA, is just whether or not you like them, they are friends with a decent amount of KGB so we are officially friends on a guild level. Outside of that, they dont owe us anything and we dont owe them anything.

Its a very simple arrangement.

I would not worry about that, I do not plan on KGB being anyones doormat. If a friend makes a decent suggestion, we can go with it, if its not we wont.

In any case, our relations with other guilds will be determined on how well they interact with us here in DFO.. if theyre cool here, all is well. If we end up with friends, UDA or anyone else who act the fool, they will be dropped.

I strongly suggest people report issues with allies in game directly to me.

So here it is, the next sunday and it's after 6pm PST and no meeting? Our Darkfall meetings in vent every sunday sure didn't last long! Can we get a confirmation post a few days ahead of time each week to tell us if the meeting is on or not for that week? Not a bitch but I like to be able to plan out my schedule.

My bad, I said at last weeks that we probably wouldnt have one this week. At least I wasnt going to hold one. Probably next week though.

For release, I really think we should have a city on the mainland with a bank. The chaos stones are gonna be camped, the wild banks are gonna be camped, and we need a safe spot. I think a city or hamlet bank if hamlets can have banks would be awesome because it wouldnt be random gankers but only a guild that wanted to fight us.

For release, till our battlekeep is ready, I think the best is to have all our toon unguilded : capital cities are good to farm the gold we'll need, and without a guild no guild-at-war problem.
We just need 2 toons guilded : one in the capital city who put the farmed items in the clan vault, and the other in Cairn (first to claim the city, then to put the bank up).

We need access to low lvl camps for quests (race specific elf can't do allied human quests) and we need access to enemy faction newb spawns for easy target pvp.


Hell yea Arkh, unguilded sounds awesome !!
Unless they try to take our city, then we couldnt bind to stone.

I like the idea of being guilded - through thick and thin....I can't imagine we will have a bunch of enemies right off the bat. Are there? With what KGB stands for I couldn't imagine having a lot of enemies right away but that could just be ignorence.

Yeah I'll go guilded. I agree with Sea though. At the very least, can a guild build two cities right off the bat? Maybe we can have 2 cities in parallel: A hamlet near noob spawns where we all meet up, quest together, farm together, pvp together, etc. And from that hamlet we feed gold into the guild bank to level up the Cairn city. Once we're all well-geared, we have 50+ main weapon skills, and we have a 50+ parry tank, we head to cairn. Remember though Minos and shit will supposedly be hard(er) as hell in release, so it might take 75 skill or something.

Problem with being unguilded is its more of a pain to get money back to the guild vault.

Building two cities simutaniously is a helluva lot of work....

Maybe taking a hamlet and sticking a vault on it could work.

There is still alot of stuff probly hasn't even been put in game yet that should influence our decision...
If we are all on the newbie lands questing and pvping at humans, it will be very difficult to make it back to a castle siege.

a "rally" point of sorts near the newb areas WOULD be a big benny! But I don't want to lose the spot we have for our current city either. That place is amazing to defend and we WILL have enemies at our doors attacking.

As for the un guilded part... there are days where I can't do anything in town without being run over by some random ganker trying to kill me. When I'm in gathering or crafting mode I'm naked and usually don't put up much of a fight. So I guess I'm torn on this idea...

maybe a "newb" guild setup that doesn't declare war on anyone and has a close by hamlet, with a graduation into the full KGB city/stone when ready.

Honestly though, all the ideas that have been put down, have been said over and over. There's no reason to beat a dead horse, we should really consider coming in on a decision, especially with launch 1 week away. (hopefully?)

Assuming they don't fix corpse tanking; go alfar at start, roll in groups for city money, claim city - seems the undebated first step.

Thomas, that idea is under strong consideration. Since allies can bind at each others stones, I am probably going to split the guild into a couple different tags. It would make sense for one tag to have a continental hamlet and the main AF tag to hold the fortresses. But either tag can bind at the others stone, so from a practical standpoint its not that large of an inconvenience.

It is actually a cheap way to get seperate guild storage units.

Syloc, the starting plan will be discussed at the meeting next sunday. Most of it is pretty much decided, but as for the obvious part- just havent seen a need to come out and state it yet.

I still need to check out a couple things, and talk with SF, they want us to take a mainland city. People are checking out a couple other locations... things are moving as quick as they need to in that regard.

Though TBH I am still pretty set on trying to fortress up in a remote locale, especialy if SF has lots of mainland holdings. Because we can always bind at one of their stones, or grab an open hamlet or chaos stone closeby and run into their town to bank/sell.

Also keep in mind that there is teleportation/recall stones in the game. Though as it stands, it is troublesome to get initially... and will want to be used mostly from moving from one safespot to another.

The way I forsee it, is taking rune out of bank, recalling to another safe bank, say on mainland, then putting the rune right back in the bank. Once we get everyone a pair of recall runes and the skill, migrating back and forth between the island fortress and mainland safehouses should be pretty painless... its just the first 3 or 4 weeks that will be a headache.

I was always a proponent of taking a mainland city, so that's a-ok in my book, however, as long as we have the infrastructure in place to support it. Sure, we might have a hundred people at launch, but it is also possible that we'll only have 20 for the land rush. (first day) Members like Donk and Rallic were busting their ass to figure out the city building, but as we soon discovered, farming on the island is hard ... and without corpse tanking, is impossible.

I have my reservations about SF. Hopefully, it's not just TSB renamed, because as good as those players are, their insistance on being uber small hurt us more than it helped us ... and lots of times we depended on allies wayy too much, and got wiped when we pissed off the wrong guild. (They had Uber templates though, ahh Warrior Vamps Xbow group 4tw)

As for splitting the guild, not a bad idea, but it doesn't take away the fact that it will take 30 minutes MIN, to run back, even if you are crossed tagged, so there's no real point to make two tags. Just claim both and tag at different areas. Bind limits only limit how many physical people bind, not how many are in guild. (unless i'm mistaken) We should NOT depend on recall runes, since the devs have already stated they will not be common.

Runes being uncommon is why I am thinking, down the road people only having a handfull and using them to recall between safe banks.

A better analogy for SF is TSB was a small group with some ppl from the same crowd, SF itself is a large AC guild. They will probably be bigger than us TBH.

Cross tagging is to have multiple guild banks more than anything, and to make it so when one tag drops a bane, the cities held by the other tags do not also go vulnerable, if im reading the sieging info right.

At start will only spend the money on one tag, until chosen city spot is claimed, after that will start arranging things with additional tag. Basically I envision building a logistical fortress, in other words full guild facilities for weapon and siege mfg, pot making etc, walls and towers and such to protect reagented macroers.. a home so to speak.

Though I suspect most of the fighting people of the guild will spend the majority of their time bound on the mainland with thair main. At least until theres something on the island worth doing. Using guild-bank warp-tunnel effect, things gathered on mainland can easily be shipped to town, and things made in town can be easily shipped back.

My biggest concern, is that if the guild is going to, over a period of time, exert signifigant energy and time building up facilities, it needs to be in the most defensible spot we can make it. Having it off the beaten path so gathering and farming types are accosted less is also a bonus.

This is still open to discussion, but these are my thoughts
currently.

About the sunday meeting, can you do it earlier ? Or on saturday ?

As for the "fortress" we currently have it is by far the best defendable city i've ever seen. Donk, KGBPoo, Slinger, and myself went to the far west island and found lots of GREAT monster camps but their player city locations were not very defendable.

We ARE KGB and with that will be attacked often. If we are going to have a chance at defending ourselves we should still pick the "fortress" as our main guild city just based upon the location and defence.

The other "hamlet" can act as a farming city with mobs that are solo or small groupable.

So currently, Humans will be an OK race to play as a KGB member upon release?

To be honest, building up he fortress on our current island isn't an insurmountable obsacle - it's only currently hard because we're still in beta and people don't feel the need to exert the kind of effort it needs to farm for a city like that. If we have multiple groups farming for it, then it should progress nicely; however if we do go fortress, unless we plan not to be sieged, we do need a concerted effort from the membership. This isn't SB. You can't farm alone afk macroing. There would need to be much more involvement from everyone to pull it off in a timely manner.

If anything beta has taught us, is that this will be a grinding game at start.

I like our defendable keep too, like you said we can't do it solo, even if we have a bank on the mainland at a hamlet, all it takes is a few griefers camping it and if you are solo you are screwed. Go Team !!