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Re: Radicalization of GOP Sini #97345 01/13/12 06:35 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA	Originally Posted By: sinij You are refusing to ask the question, but I will still answer it. I subscribe to Utilitarianism Quote: Utilitarianism is an ethical theory holding that the proper course of action is the one that maximizes the overall "happiness". It is thus a form of consequentialism, meaning that the moral worth of an action is determined only by its resulting outcome, and that one can only weigh the morality of an action after knowing all its consequences. All you had to say is that you're a moral relativist. Great. Now I know that you and I are going to disagree on almost everything. No point in talking about it further unless there is some chance you will change. I won't change because my morals are based in a fundamental understanding of right from wrong. For example, I believe that murder is wrong, therefore I cannot condone the taking of an innocent life. While you have no problem with abortion (to use an example you brought up in the last couple of posts) because you cannot measure the consequences to the child since it cannot speak for itself. (We'll just ignore the negative consequences physically and emotionally for the other parties involved) Biology and history have no problem defining when life begins by the way. Life on earth began with single celled organisms that sprouted from an electrical charge shot through some gasses, or something similar to that, according to my biology book from last semester. Today we don't discount amoebas because they are only single celled organisms. So, given that I'll give you even one further, let's call a fetus "life" after it divides the first time into multiple cells. Then its twice as much life as a bacteria. The only people who have problems defining when life begins and what murder is are those pandering to people who don't want to be burdened with the consequences of their actions.

Re: Radicalization of GOP Kaotic #97671 01/23/12 09:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10	From Gingrich To Palin To Gingrich Quote: Listen to Gingrich's victory speech. It was completely, fundamentally, organizationally Manichean, if you'll pardon the expression. He limned a familiar battle between independence and dependence, pay-checks vs food stamps, America vs "Europe", the American people vs elites "forcing people" for 35 years not to be American, the traditional America vs the "secular, European style socialist bureaucratic system". There is no gray here. There is no nuance. And there is the imputation to the other side of malign motives, secret agendas and foreignness that has been Gingrich's hallmark since the very beginning, when he assaulted the traditions of the Congress until that institution eventually had to repel him.

Re: Radicalization of GOP Sini #97672 01/23/12 09:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10	Quote: ...that rage cannot be downward. It has to be upward - at vague, treasonous elites. It has to have that Poujadist touch, that soupcon of contempt, that sends shivers up the legs of the Republican faithful, reared on Limbaugh, propagandized by Fox, and coated with a shallow knowledge of a largely fictionalized past. Following quote is priceless. I don't think I have to name names, you know who you are.

Re: Radicalization of GOP Sini #97690 01/24/12 02:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10	Class War is coming . If you ask me, its already here. Quote: �The collapse of the Soviet system was a pretty extraordinary event, and we are currently experiencing something similar in the developed world, without fully realizing what�s happening.� To Soros, the spectacular debunking of the credo of efficient markets�the notion that markets are rational and can regulate themselves to avert disaster��is comparable to the collapse of Marxism as a political system. The prevailing interpretation has turned out to be very misleading. It assumes perfect knowledge, which is very far removed from reality. We need to move from the Age of Reason to the Age of Fallibility in order to have a proper understanding of the problems.�

Re: Radicalization of GOP Sini #97692 01/24/12 02:45 PM
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Derid Chief Justice KGB Supreme Court Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,653 Likes: 6	Ah yes, the great analytical mind of George Soros..... cough * chuckle* cough For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)

Re: Radicalization of GOP Sini #97694 01/24/12 03:35 PM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 3,174 Likes: 1 Oklahoma Wolfgang KGB Supreme Knight
Wolfgang KGB Supreme Knight Joined: May 2009 Posts: 3,174 Likes: 1 Oklahoma	Originally Posted By: sinij Quote: ...that rage cannot be downward. It has to be upward - at vague, treasonous elites. It has to have that Poujadist touch, that soupcon of contempt, that sends shivers up the legs of the Democratic faithful, reared on Keith Olbermann, propagandized by MSNBC, and coated with a shallow knowledge of a largely fictionalized past. Following quote is priceless. I don't think I have to name names, you know who you are. Fixed!

Re: Radicalization of GOP Derid #97704 01/24/12 08:05 PM
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OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10	Originally Posted By: Derid Ah yes, the great analytical mind of George Soros..... cough * chuckle* cough Still playing disregard and discredit card? If it is written by Soros, it must be automatically wrong. So say we all. Last edited by sinij; 01/24/12 08:53 PM.

Re: Radicalization of GOP Sini #97708 01/24/12 08:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10	The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin Quote: People on the Left often fail to realize this, but conservatism really does speak to and for people who have lost something. It may be a landed estate or the privileges of white skin, the unquestioned authority of a husband or the untrammeled rights of a factory owner. The loss may be as material as a portion of one�s income or as ethereal as a sense of standing. It may be of something that was never legitimately owned in the first place; it may, when compared with what the conservative retains, be small. Even so, it�s a loss, and nothing is ever so cherished as that which we no longer possess. It used to be one of the great virtues of the Left that it alone understood the often zero-sum nature of politics, where the gains of one class necessarily entail the losses of another. But as that sense of conflict diminishes on the Left, it has fallen to the Right to remind voters that there really are losers in politics and that it is they � and only they � who speak for them. �All conservatism begins with loss,� Andrew Sullivan rightly notes, which makes conservatism not the Party of Order, as Mill and others have claimed, but the party of the loser. The chief aim of the loser is not � and indeed cannot be � preservation or protection. It is recovery and restoration. And that, it seems to me, is the secret of conservatism�s success. Last edited by sinij; 01/24/12 08:51 PM.

Re: Radicalization of GOP Sini #97722 01/25/12 06:07 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,653 Likes: 6 Derid Chief Justice KGB Supreme Court
Derid Chief Justice KGB Supreme Court Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,653 Likes: 6	Originally Posted By: sinij Originally Posted By: Derid Ah yes, the great analytical mind of George Soros..... cough * chuckle* cough Still playing disregard and discredit card? If it is written by Soros, it must be automatically wrong. So say we all. So say we all. Seriously though, if you post a link to someone who spouts 95% BS, expecting people to wade through it is unreasonable. If you think he made a good point somehow ( and yes, even broken clocks are right twice a day - so it does happen ) then make the point in your own words. Using Soros as a political analyst, is like using Gingrich as a marriage counselor. For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)

Re: Radicalization of GOP Derid #97728 01/25/12 10:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10 Sini OP KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
OP Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,529 Likes: 10	Originally Posted By: Derid Seriously though, if you post a link to someone who spouts 95% BS, expecting people to wade through it is unreasonable. So you didn't even bother to "wade through"/read the link, you just went right into denial/refusal? I can't say I am surprised.

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