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Your argument that all "non productive" people relying on social programs are just lazy is typical conservative drivel and is not fact-based. I don't know why rank-and-file conservatives hate idea of social safety nets, but these nets is what enables civil society we live in.

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said "lazy". Who said I hate social safety nets? YOU. I chose two programs, expanded on them, provided details to support my argument, and you rejected it out of hand without thinking about it.

Your thought processes are lazy. You seem to think that you can post graphs and links which you barely understand, taunt people into explaining them, then poke holes in their arguments while refusing to answer any counter-questions.

Note carefully how you never addressed any of my points. Explain how illegal aliens can afford to send so much money back to Mexico. Explain why the poor have an epidemic of obesity instead of starvation. Explain why the number of poor people under Obama has risen by 1 million, and the number on food stamps has risen by almost 20 million. Explain how these safety nets are helping people rather than destroying the family and breeding generations of dependency.

Cost of living difference between Mexico and US is what enables seasonal workers to work part of the year in US and live off it (in Mexico). If you ever drove through California you'd notice shack towns right next to the field where these people live - no electricity, no plumbing but they tolerate it for part of the year. Plus this wouldn't be possible year-round or in harsher climate/seasons. As to reason more migrant workers in California - this is simply because that where all agriculture (and jobs) are. As to illegals getting "full ride" - this is another conservative nonsense that is not based on any facts.


Poor Diets. It costs significantly less to eat high-calories corn syrup sweetened fast food. Eating well is already out of affordability range for many and it is only going to get worse with global food costs going up.

Recession and record unemployment, with middle class and skilled workers competing for jobs traditionally held by less educated "poor people". Some places are now asking for Bachelors to pump gas and flip burgers, and they can because there are so many people out of jobs.

You think people choose to stay poor/on food stamps? You are delusional. They are, because they end up in a position where it is only choice. You cut this and they will turn to crime. In effect, you are paying them to a) not rob you b) stay out of prisons. It is cost-effective, because often times incarceration is inevitable alternative.

YES and you certainly do not know the human spirit as well as you think and possibly should stop trying to find them solutions.

The bottom line is sinij wants to be like every other nanny state/socialist country. The founders of this country did something exceptional. The world now had a choice, to stay in the nanny states they were in, or go to the new country that allows you to work freely and be able to buy their own land and run their lives as they see fit.

Liberals want us to become that nanny state, the more we allow the Government to take over, the less liberties we will have. Apparently to some liberties aren't that big of a deal! Instead of turning this country into Canada, europe ect. Let's become 4merica once again. Without the nanny state. If you want a nanny state there are plenty of options to go there and live.

Your lack of understanding history is quite shocking, but your projecting of your own believes on "founders" is typical conservatism.

You wanting a nanny state is shocking. Especially when you claim to like a lot of Ron Pauls Idea's.

Unlike you, I understand inevitable results and consequences if everything your fringe right demagogues advocate becomes a reality. To say that all of US, including you and me, going to be very negatively impacted is huge understatement.

I like Ron Pauls (and many other conservative ideas) because I am not a leftist/socialist you want to make out of me. I am as centrist as it gets, and the simple fact that you see me in "leftist/socialist" light tells volumes about how far right your ideology took you. You are well into fringe, and so is a lot of your party, and the fact that you are in intentional denial about it is rather amusing.

If Reagan to run today he would be labeled RINO by your ilk and wouldn't make it past primaries.

Don't tell him he's stupid, tell him what actually happened. Please.

Sorry, personal attack are getting at me, so I am no longer as civil as I should.

At the time US constitution was written it was by far most pro-people government since the Roman Republic. This was the time when royalty-above-law, serfdom and landlord elite was the norm. "Nanny States" assertion is just...