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You simply ignore what you do not want to face.

I would boot you from the entire area if I had the power, since I don't, I will continue to interject where I see fit

I would boot you from the entire area if I had the power.

lol Vuldan, you could be a good dictator on a "comunist" country or a nazi officer in ww2 germany, man you were born in the wrong country.

I know you would rather go back to shouting in the echo chamber but at this point I cannot allow this happen.

Here is why:

1. You (as in you, conservatives) fail to contain your shouting, it spills to other forums, shout box, gaming and is very visible to outsiders looking in.

2. Partisan efforts by you (as in you, conservatives) has unintended consequence of making KGB, the gaming guild, appear to be a political conservative-leaning organization. By forming such vocal and visible group you are alienating fellow KGB members who do not explicitly agree with you. As this thread showed, you stop at nothing, including character assassinations.

You went too far and this has to stop. I will stop you.

Bravo, I don't believe I ever read more concise definition of conservatism.

How is that different from purchasing your car's insurance? You have to purchase road coverage and you have to pay it to a private company. No mandatory insurance clause, no highway funds for the states so it is not a states vs fed issue, at least not anymore.

Plus, how would you make an insurance scheme that must not turn anyone down, regardless how sick they are, work if not with mandatory buy-in for everyone?



I am as unhappy with the end result as your rabid Tinfoilers crowd. Real reform should have lead to a single player, where "crony industry" part is simply removed from the equation. Instead we got media hysteria where every pundit and Palin bombarded us with soundbites while doing their best to revive Red Scare all over again.

But let look at the facts - Canadian model for example only spends 9% of GDP on health care, to US 15%+, with better overall results. Less child mortality, longer life expectancy and no health insurance job slavery. How is that missing 6% is not an extra-governmental "tax" on everybody?

Canadian healthcare costs. or $3899 per person

US healthcare costs or $7291 per person

Infant Mortality and life expectancy.

You like to talk about inflation effects on personal wealth, how about we talk about ever-increasing health premiums and punitive individual insurance costs stifling small business creation and extracting ever-increasing toll on every household in US?




What cradle-to-grave policies? You think providing affordable and accessible health coverage for the masses so even minimum wager working in WallMart could have coverage is overbearing? Affording to go to see a doctor so people could get better and continue being productive members of society?

Yes, I have no delusions about new system working well. It will be only marginal improvement over current world of pre-existing conditions, denying individual coverage to anyone but perfectly healthy and epidemic of uninsured clogging emergency rooms. The real solution, single player health care system, was shouted down by conservatives parading Red Scare ghosts.

Still, whatever your or my personal opinion of this system might be, it is legal exercise of government power. You absolutely cannot frame the argument about health care (or any other social program) in terms of unconstitutionality.