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Huntsman finally came out and publicly said what the SEC/IMF/FED/WS was saying behind closed doors. At least there are some quantitative intellectuals still left on the moderate/conservative Right saying the obvious in the face of Corpublicans and Tea Baggers.

Originally Posted By: NYT/Bloomberg Business

Thursday October 20, 2011, 5:00 am EDT
Huntsman's Warning on 'Too Big to Fail'

Simon Johnson, the former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the co-author of "13 Bankers."

The idea that big banks damage the broader economy has considerable resonance on the intellectual right. Thomas Hoenig, the recently retired president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, has been our clearest official voice on this topic. And Eugene Fama, father of the efficient markets view of finance, said on CNBC last year that having banks that are "too big to fail" is "perverting activities and incentives" in financial markets - giving big financial firms "a license to increase risk; where the taxpayers will bear the downside and firms will bear the upside."

The mainstream political right, however, has been reluctant to take on the issue. This changed on Wednesday, with a very clear statement by Jon Huntsman in The Wall Street Journal on regulatory capture and its consequences. Before the 2008 financial crisis, he wrote, "the largest banks were pushing hard to take more risk at taxpayers' expense." And now, he added:

This message could work politically, for five reasons.

First, for anyone on the right of the political spectrum who thinks at all about the issues, this is a coherent and appealing position. Mr. Fama had it exactly right when he said, in the same interview that "too big to fail" "is not capitalism; capitalism says - you perform poorly, you fail."

"Too big to fail" is not a market-based concept; it's a government subsidy scheme - of the most inefficient and dangerous kind.

This is exactly Mr. Huntsman's theme: "Hedge funds and private equity funds go out of business all the time when they make big mistakes, to the notice of few, because they are not too big to fail. There is no reason why banks cannot live with the same reality."

Second, serious senior figures within the Republican Party have long been pointing in this direction. In 2009, for example, former Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady said, "First we should just come out and say it: the financial system that led us to the brink of disaster is broken." And former Secretary of State George P. Shultz has emphasized that we should "make failure tolerable," suggesting, for example, "an escalating schedule could be required of necessary capital ratios geared to size and matched with escalating limits on leverage."

Republicans like to discuss who is and is not a true Republican. How can any true Republican condone the subsidies that underpin our biggest financial companies today?

Third, mainstream financial thinking is in exactly the same place, in terms of asserting that capital requirements for big banks should be much higher. On this issue I refer you, as always, to the work of Anat Admati and her colleagues at Stanford University.

Mr. Huntsman's position is in alignment with the strongest possible technical thinking, but he has also found a direct and easy way to communicate the right political message. Higher capital requirements for big banks are a great idea; they should help prevent financial disaster. But when such disaster occurs, we need financial institutions that can actually fail - with losses to creditors - without bringing down the entire system. Anything "too big to fail" is simply too big.

Fourth, political Republicans who favor the status quo with regard to megabanks are going to have a hard time justifying that position - including in a confrontational debate format. (Mr. Huntsman declined to participate in this week's debate among the Republican candidates, but is likely to spread his "too big to fail" message as he campaigns at town hall meetings in New Hampshire.)

In particular, Mitt Romney is very vulnerable on this issue, as he has already lined up so much support from among the biggest banks. Presumably the prospect of Wall Street donations is enough to deter some Republicans (and many Democrats) from confronting the issue of "too big to fail." But if Mr. Romney is already far ahead is this fund-raising category, there is much less to lose. And his donations must make it harder for him to explain exactly how he would ensure that even one megabank could fail.

It's not enough just to wish that big banks could fail or to promise not to support them next time. This is not a credible commitment - and the "resolution authority" created under the Dodd-Frank regulatory legislation is a paper tiger with regard to winding down the biggest banks. If the choice is global economic calamity or unsavory bailout, which would you - let alone any Republican president - choose?

Mr. Huntsman has joined the dots. There are various ways to directly address and remove the implicit subsidies that the largest banks receive. Bloated size and excessive leverage can be effectively taxed. As he said:

Fifth, the euro zone is on the verge of calamity in large part because its members built very large banks with huge implicit subsidies, and this facilitated an irresponsible accumulation of public sector debt.

During the Dodd-Frank debate last year, we heard repeatedly from people - including senators on both sides of the aisle - who believed that reducing the size of our largest banks would somehow put the rest of our private sector at a disadvantage.

Who now would like to emulate in any way the disaster that the Europeans have brought upon themselves? Mr. Romney, please explain how you would prevent our largest banks from becoming ever larger and taking on more risk, and, as they did, continuing the reckless buildup of debt throughout the global economy.


Bravo! How about we let some common sense reign for a while?


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Originally Posted By: Tas's ridiculous NYT article
The idea that big banks damage the broader economy has considerable resonance on the intellectual right. Thomas Hoenig, the recently retired president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, has been our clearest official voice on this topic. And Eugene Fama, father of the efficient markets view of finance, said on CNBC last year that having banks that are "too big to fail" is "perverting activities and incentives" in financial markets - giving big financial firms "a license to increase risk; where the taxpayers will bear the downside and firms will bear the upside."

The mainstream political right, however, has been reluctant to take on the issue. This changed on Wednesday, with a very clear statement by Jon Huntsman in The Wall Street Journal on regulatory capture and its consequences. Before the 2008 financial crisis, he wrote, "the largest banks were pushing hard to take more risk at taxpayers' expense."


I don't know what kind of ridiculous propaganda site you use for your news but this is what the tea party people have been SCREAMING from the get go. They didn't like it when Bush (Mr. "we have to suspend the free market system to save it") did this "too big to fail" bullshit and they didn't like it when Barry did it two more times, or that his new "jobs" bill is just more of the same.

For fucks sake man, get over yourself and realize that we're not the problem.


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Tas thought the Tea Party was for big banks and "too big to fail"?

*scratches head*

Um. Ok.


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Originally Posted By: Derid

Tas thought the Tea Party was for big banks and "too big to fail"?

*scratches head*

Um. Ok.
No Tas didn't think that, he just didn't think. Tas just fell victim to the propaganda machine that has decided to paint the Tea Party in that light. Its the same revisionist history they've been doing for decades, the difference is that they've become so confident in their ability that they think they can change the history of just a year ago. The problem is that, unfortunately, most of the time they are right because people don't pay attention.


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I am using the same logic you applied to the 99% movement, most the tea baggers I have seen in the media have been total nut bags, therefore is an accurate representation of the movement.


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Originally Posted By: Tasorin
I am using the same logic you applied to the 99% movement, most the tea baggers I have seen in the media have been total nut bags, therefore is an accurate representation of the movement.
Again, I don't know that propaganda outlet you're using for your news but I've mostly seen only normal folks at Tea Party rallies. The only nut jobs I've seen are on videos produced by folks like Media Matters. Even the folks Media Matters and Code Pink manage to video for OWS sound like loons.


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