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to mention a few, I ask out of curiousity if there is anyone still around nutty enough to support and/or defend the Bush regime , its policies, and its competance?

Just curious.

i think bush stinks

I love how you phrased the question. President Bush blows on most issues (ban the illegals damnit).

Initiate Fair Tax.
Stop increasing government spending for the love of god.
Dont reform social security, get rid of it.

I guess republicans in general are to blame. I hope they lose majority, maybe they'll realize their mistakes.

But yeah, call me Nutty, I still defend the Bush "regime" as you call it.

1 internet spying. The internet is one of the places that is not controled by anyone. You can do anything on it and it has no regulations. So if someone is spying on it not much you can do about it. Spyware--govware. I dont think its good but if you want technology with out laws this is what you will get.

2 leaking classified info. It is impossible for the president of the united states of american to leak info.
due to a 1983 law the president can declassify anything they want to.

3.Iranian nuklear program. How is this the presidents fault.
did not understand that one.

Now be nice to me I am the least educated of kgb so maybe you can explain these items to me and why bush is bad.

1) Not just internet, phone calls. Listening equipment on the switching equipment that handles the publics phone calls. Phone switching isnt analogue anymore.

2) The point is declassifying things solely for political reasons. I'm less concerned with legality here, than I am with the fact that the President was acting irresponsibly.

3) If you dont see how Iran making nukes, after we went to war with Iraq over nukes and other WMD (that didnt exist), I just dont know what to tell you. Why are we occupying Iraq which had no nukes , while allowing Islamic extremists with an worldview for amrageddon to obtain them? Because lack of foresight and judgement has put us in a position where we can do little about it.

I simply cannot understand how so many people can ignore the excesses of this regime. Just because you "like" a President, and because he was elected should not give him the right to step around and ignore the other branches of government. Nor does it give him license to ignore the Constitution.

Unfortunatly those who mistake themselves for conservatives
seem to have lost sight of the basic principles that this nation was founded upon, and grew strong following.

I find it extremely depressing that those who would think of themselves as conservatives would really be ok with secretive, corrupt government. It always seemed to me that Big Government was the desire of the Democrats and Socialists, it just still flabberghasts me that the biggest, most invasive government in the history of our nation has been implemented by someone who calls himself a conservative, with the blessing and support of a good portion of voters who call themselves conservatives.

Bush has been a fucking idiot since the day he was born, and has been making this country crappier since the day he was inagurated in 2001. It amazes me that it's taken so many people this long to realize how big of a tool he is.

I personally believe that the government has a responcibility to provide a social saftey net for its people (so count me in the big government camp). Yet, I believe in effective government, not this non-reality based, science-ignoring, don't-critisize-us-its-aiding-the-terrorists, fear-mongering idiotocracy that we have to put up with now.

I can't imagine what history is going to say about this guy in 50 years. He's going to make Herbert Hoover look like Einstein or something.

1) So the goverment is setting up equipment to use for spying I for one welcome it. Let it be ready when they need it or go your way and let the bad guys have the time it takes to set it up to kill people.

2) Or he declassifide it to let people know the truth
but that wouldnt work in the bush bashing so its for political power.

3) The question was why is it bush's fault they are making them. I know why its bad. Is blaming him just because hes a republican.

4) What excesses? explain what you mean again I really dont understand. And if he is ignoring the other branches the other branches would eat him alive. If you think he is, call you senator.

5) Secretive and corrupt. Yes on secretive no to corrupt.
Goverment is corrupt no matter what system or what party. It may start out with good intentions but will always fall to corruption by its very nature.

FYI I am niether dem or rep. I look at the whole picture.
from reading some of what you say you will never say anything to support bush because he is conservitive. I dont agree with everything he does or says but corruption,ignoring other branches,excess. tell me what you think he did not just a bunch of crap that doesnt mean anything.

I will look at what they do and say and compare. Just going out to say bad things about someone is not an argument.

Hell I can sit here and say bad things about clinton all day and you would defend him without even tring to see my side.

Thats the main problem with politicians both partys fight to win elections instead of doing whats right. How the hell can they fight over everything. Even me and my wife agree on things. It would be alot better if there were no partys think of all the waste that would be gone.
No political pressure to vote one way or another. unicameral or something like that not sure on the spelling.

Anyways I hate talking politics to much anger from people.

Article 1: I for one am not sure the Patriot Act was a good idea, it was passed in fear and passed when in normal circumstances it would not have passed like it did. However, i really don't mind it... I really just don't care if the government can tap phone lines. I don't have any thing to hide.

Article 2: The way the administration motivated America to war was through stretching the truth and working the system. Welcome to politics... if you really think any one else would have been more "honest" then i think thats naive. I don't support it, but implying Bush to be evil isn't solving any thing.

Article 3: Honestly they choose Iraq because it was an easier target. No one really knew whether Iraq or Iran was more dangerous, so you got to pick the easier target and hope it all pans out.


Honestly what are they gonna say about Bush 50 years from now? Not much different from any other president. America hates our current president, always.


As far as: democratic-republican, or Big-small gov. They are on two different scales. Democrats want the government in their pockets and out of their personal lives. Republicans want the government out of their pockets but in their private lives.

I'm personally pretty neutral Right/Left but leaning right on "family" issues. And i lean to big government over small.

But ya... dont listen to me... im nutty : P

""5) Secretive and corrupt. Yes on secretive no to corrupt.
Goverment is corrupt no matter what system or what party. It may start out with good intentions but will always fall to corruption by its very nature. ""

So you realize this, yet support unchecked power and secrecy (secrecy IS power). You really want the govt that will natually be corrupt to engage in unlimited secret spying of EVERYONE?

Also, that kind of spying (the wholesale type) doesnt net much good vs people who are trying to remain hidden. Its mainly usefull for gathering info on people who dont realize theyre being spied upon, or looked into.

Also assuming I would defend, or support Clinton on a wholesale level is beyond ridiculous and shows how ignorant your judgements are. I am a born and bred Republican, or was until the party got gripped by a fit of mass insanity.

The Republican party used to stand for Liberty, freedom to govern your private life as you choose, and the Constitution. I just hope the true republicans wake up soon and realize what a mockery the current regime has made of the Grand Ole Party.

Apparently everyone is taking their rights and liberty for granted. Historically, when that happens to a society, that society is only a hairs breadth away from the abyss of Tyranny or collapse.

Also, keep in mind that being "able" to tap a phone, with a warrant, and massive secret wholesale data-mining on the general populace are 2 very different things. Try not to confuse them.

on #1, I'm all for the lowdown secret wire tapping looking for terrorist and crap like that. Let them listen to me talk how I want to get nasty with the mistress. It's not like I'm IM'ing or talking on the phone to my Taliban friends about the next hit, so it shouldn't bother me. I seriously doubt they will go after me for downloading torrent files since it has nothing to do with the Patriot Act.

P.S. I was kidding about the mistress. I can "barely" handly one woman. And barely is an exaggeration. More like "Dear God, help me"