The KGB Oracle Forums General Public Discussion (SPECIAL ACCESS) KGB Political Debate Central Government jobs vs. Manufacturing jobs

So there are nearly 22 Million Government Jobs Compared to the 12.3 Million manufacturing jobs. I'm certain if this number were flipped our Economy wouldn't be as stale as it is now. This is further proof Big Government does not make the economy, private sector jobs move the economy.

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Well, there are government jobs and there are government jobs. Before i retired, i developed F-16 software as a civil service. A major update cost the government about $25 million. If Lockheed Martin were to do the update, they'd charge $75 million.

We were a very good value for the taxpayer.

Jobs such as the one you had are wanted and needed. Anything that saves tax payer dollars is obviously a very good thing. There are Government jobs that are heavy at the top when we do not need that. Obviously more Private Sector jobs would move the economy a lot better than what is going on present. We need leaner more efficient Government.

Manufacturing jobs are historical dead end, all of it can be done by robots today, and it is getting cheaper every year.

Walmart just announced they are cutting local office jobs in favor of automation.

Eventually a lot of manufacturing jobs will be automated. Though that doesn't mean they still should be sent overseas. There's still a lot of jobs that will have to be filled to maintain those machines.

No, there won't be "a lot" of jobs maintaining machines. My brother-in-law works in such job, his department of 30 or so engineers setup and maintain 100+ factories worldwide (all of them for this specific product). My WAG is that fully automated assembly replaces approximately 300 jobs per factory, times 100 factories worldwide all maintained by 30 engineers or 1:1000 ratio. IMO, at such ratio it doesn't really matter where these factories located and 30 jobs won't save Flint Michigan, even if they are well-paid.

Next robotic vision (recognizing objects in 3D) breakthrough and manufacturing workforce is done. This tech will be adapted from self-driving cars. We are at most 5 years away from this, then 10 years for adoption/ gradual roll out. We already have adequate digital cameras thanks to selfie addiction, so it is software-only problem and Silicon Valley will surely deliver.

As to factories - cheapest electricity and least environmental regulation is where they will be located. So China for now, but it isn't like it would be overly hard to pack equipment and move it somewhere.

The only way for us to prepare for this is to invest into development or power grid and build more nuclear reactors to increase capacity. So we can compete based on cheap electricity.

"As to factories - cheapest electricity and least environmental regulation is where they will be located. So China for now, but it isn't like it would be overly hard to pack equipment and move it somewhere."

for textiles it Labor (US spell checker) prices hence the move to Bangladesh. Environmental regulation has no impact in most cases the high the regs the better as it all has to comply to the rules of the locations you are selling it too.

robots may even cause clothing product to come back to the home countries as it gets rid of Labor and shortens lead times

I think what gets missed amongst all the hubbub, is the core problem lies not with advancement, but with the monetary system.

Working paradigm:

Advancement -> freed up labor -> labor migration \
.......................................................................................... -> new opportunities, that hadn't necessarily been thought of
Savings -> lended to business -> capital investment/

Current Paradigm:

Advancement -> freed up labor |

Printing money -> handed to cronies -\> purchase shares in established business with guaranteed returns
........................................................................\-> purchase political power to solidify rent-seeking status of investments