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Please Read: The choice 2012 #106745 10/14/12 01:54 PM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,986 Likes: 44 KGB HeadQuarters JetStar OP (GM10) KGB High King KGB Federal Faction (F5) High Chancellor KGB New World Faction KGB Oracle Administrator Founded KGB in 1997
OP JetStar (GM10) KGB High King KGB Federal Faction (F5) High Chancellor KGB New World Faction KGB Oracle Administrator Founded KGB in 1997 Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,986 Likes: 44 KGB HeadQuarters	Republicans and Democrats! As many of you know I am a big fan of Frontline from PBS, and they just put together a excellent middle of the road piece on both Romney and Obama. I am sure that those of you on either side will find important stuff you like, and didn't know about both candidates. I don't think it is going to change any minds here, and the best part is that it is not designed to. It does however give you a complete picture of the candidates. THIS IS THE BEST NON-PARTISAN THING I HAVE SEEN SO FAR IN THIS CONTEST. I would love to hear only from those who take the time to watch the piece (1 hour 30 minutes) and see if you found it as powerful as I did. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice-2012/ Star Citizen Hanger: RSI Javelin Destroyer, Hull E, RSI Constellation Pheonix, Aegis Dynamics Retaliator, Banu Merchantman F7A Military Hornet Upgrade, F7C-S Hornet Ghost, F7C-R Hornet Tracker, Origin 325a Fighter

Re: Please Read: The choice 2012 JetStar #106747 10/14/12 02:17 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA	I don't know about in California, but in the rest of the country 1:54:17 is closer to 2 hours than 1.5 :P But I'm watching it. Edit 30 minutes in and they've now said the word "polygamy" 15 times or so in reference to Romney's grandfather, but not once have they mentioned that Obama's father was a polygamist. Not one single mention of Frank Marshall Davis. Before he was a Mormon Bishop, Romney had never dealt with "real people or real people's lives." Romney "may see the presidency as the ultimate fulfillment of his faith." No mention of Obama's faith. Everyone saw Obama as the "savior" as early as his election to the Illinois Senate. Romney was an "outsider as governor and is still an outsider." Isn't that what Obama claimed to be? "The uninsured were bankrupting Massachusetts." I'm sure there were absolutely no other issues causing the state to lose money... "Obama went to Washington believing that his election would cause everyone in Washington to join together to fix the problems." No mention of the fact that his party had majorities in both houses of Congress. Obama has a grand vision, but lacks the personality to make it happen. He's really just too smart to deal with other people. "The Tea Party turned Obama into a partisan figure that he wasn't before." HA! If you truly believe that this report isn't skewed toward Obama, then you and I likely will never agree on anything. It isn't the hatchet job that most of the MSM would have delivered, but it is still bent towards Obama. Last edited by Kaotic; 10/14/12 05:19 PM.

Re: Please Read: The choice 2012 JetStar #106748 10/14/12 04:27 PM
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OP JetStar (GM10) KGB High King KGB Federal Faction (F5) High Chancellor KGB New World Faction KGB Oracle Administrator Founded KGB in 1997 Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,986 Likes: 44 KGB HeadQuarters	Thanks! Star Citizen Hanger: RSI Javelin Destroyer, Hull E, RSI Constellation Pheonix, Aegis Dynamics Retaliator, Banu Merchantman F7A Military Hornet Upgrade, F7C-S Hornet Ghost, F7C-R Hornet Tracker, Origin 325a Fighter

Re: Please Read: The choice 2012 Kaotic #106759 10/14/12 09:22 PM
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OP JetStar (GM10) KGB High King KGB Federal Faction (F5) High Chancellor KGB New World Faction KGB Oracle Administrator Founded KGB in 1997 Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,986 Likes: 44 KGB HeadQuarters	Originally Posted By: Kaotic I don't know about in California, but in the rest of the country 1:54:17 is closer to 2 hours than 1.5 :P But I'm watching it. Edit 30 minutes in and they've now said the word "polygamy" 15 times or so in reference to Romney's grandfather, but not once have they mentioned that Obama's father was a polygamist. Not one single mention of Frank Marshall Davis. Before he was a Mormon Bishop, Romney had never dealt with "real people or real people's lives." Romney "may see the presidency as the ultimate fulfillment of his faith." No mention of Obama's faith. Everyone saw Obama as the "savior" as early as his election to the Illinois Senate. Romney was an "outsider as governor and is still an outsider." Isn't that what Obama claimed to be? "The uninsured were bankrupting Massachusetts." I'm sure there were absolutely no other issues causing the state to lose money... "Obama went to Washington believing that his election would cause everyone in Washington to join together to fix the problems." No mention of the fact that his party had majorities in both houses of Congress. Obama has a grand vision, but lacks the personality to make it happen. He's really just too smart to deal with other people. "The Tea Party turned Obama into a partisan figure that he wasn't before." HA! If you truly believe that this report isn't skewed toward Obama, then you and I likely will never agree on anything. It isn't the hatchet job that most of the MSM would have delivered, but it is still bent towards Obama. Wow, really? They come down hard on Obama, especially in the closing statement. What about how he promised to bring things together and found out he could not. I think they were kind to Romney. I guess we can agree on one thing. We are not going to agree on anything. Star Citizen Hanger: RSI Javelin Destroyer, Hull E, RSI Constellation Pheonix, Aegis Dynamics Retaliator, Banu Merchantman F7A Military Hornet Upgrade, F7C-S Hornet Ghost, F7C-R Hornet Tracker, Origin 325a Fighter

Re: Please Read: The choice 2012 JetStar #106763 10/14/12 10:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,653 Likes: 6 Derid Chief Justice KGB Supreme Court
Derid Chief Justice KGB Supreme Court Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,653 Likes: 6	Its the "Tea Party turned Obama into a partisan figure" thing that bugs me the most. Has is never occurred to anyone, even Dem partisans.. that maybe just maybe, its not the Tea Party, its not because Obama is black, its not even because of right wing media so much..... as it is that for the first two years Obama basically rubber-stamped everything Pelosi put before him? That whatever Obama intended or did not intend, when it came to congress Pelosi and Reid steamrolled the opposition in a hyper-partisan manner, and instead of even trying to mediate any middle ground as the bi-partisan uniter he promised to be, Obama just rubber stamped it and went on down the road. What did he expect? If he had acted as even a minor check on the excesses of his own party and been even slightly inclusive things could have been a lot different. For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)

Re: Please Read: The choice 2012 JetStar #106766 10/15/12 04:28 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA	Originally Posted By: JetStar They come down hard on Obama, especially in the closing statement. What about how he promised to bring things together and found out he could not. Not really. And anything said in the closing statement is buffered by all the "he's really got big plans and good intentions and gets blocked at every turn by everyone else" that is prevalent throughout the rest of the video. Nothing is ever his fault... But we know that, because according to him, the buck stops with you. Last edited by Kaotic; 10/15/12 04:29 AM.

Re: Please Read: The choice 2012 Derid #106769 10/15/12 07:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10 Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council
Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	Originally Posted By: Derid What did he expect? I will tell you what he didn't expect - he didn't expect an opposition that set defeating him as a much higher priority than "greater good of the country" or even doing the job they got elected to. Filibuster galore, no-compromise pledges and the likes are not something any other president had to deal to the extent that was put on Obama.

Re: Please Read: The choice 2012 JetStar #106774 10/15/12 07:40 AM
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Derid Chief Justice KGB Supreme Court Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,653 Likes: 6	That was just blowback for how he handled the first two years. He should have expected it. For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)

Re: Please Read: The choice 2012 Derid #106783 10/15/12 10:05 AM
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Sini KGB Supreme Court Justice KGB Paladin King's High Council Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,528 Likes: 10	I think you are confusing cause and effect.

Re: Please Read: The choice 2012 Sini #106790 10/15/12 10:33 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Kaotic KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: May 2008 Posts: 3,716 Lafayette, LA	Originally Posted By: sinij he didn't expect an opposition that set defeating him as a much higher priority than "greater good of the country" You confusing opposition for opposition's sake and a fundamental disagreement about what the "greater good" actually is.

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