Another member in game chat noticed this, posting it here:

http://www.unholybanhammer.com/BH/

Tue, May 28, 2013

Vietnam Tom
Gabriel Montenugro

Plus 40 others from a lot of other guilds, from the spread It really looks like one of the paid cheat site programs was detected.

Both members are still listed in-game in the clan roster atm. Would be good to hear what was going on and warn members again about use of any macro/bot programs or cheats that could flag your account.

This is what they were offering, something to keep in mind if the hack gets updated to watch for and report:

• Max. Runspeed Hack
• No Stamina Loss on Runspeed Hack
• Strafing Speedhack
• Crouch Speedhack
• Ultra speedhack
• Players and NPC Radar (also shows Mounts)
• ESP for Players
• ESP for NPCs
• ESP for Gravestones
• ESP for Chaos Chests
• Remove smoke & gras ESP

Was active May 21st, apparently detected less than a week later today on the 28th by Aventurine.

It says they were both banned for cheating. Do we know in what way? i.e. purchasing of gold is far different from using the speed or other hacks, and since this was not a TOS violation, it is much more serious.

This is something that could have been avoided. Using 3rd party programs to try and gain an advantage in combat is unacceptable. Members of KGB need to refrain from using these programs to prevent themselves from tainting our image by getting banned.

It states they were banned specifically for cheating* Gold buying would have been a TOS ban.

If it was for Macro/Scripting programs they have my sympathies as we use these for our G13s as well and I know how much is hurts to get banned.

If this was for using a memory altering program in order to obtain the items listed above, ESP hacks, speed hacks, aim bots, than there is no sympathy from me and is heavily frowned upon by KGB's values.

As stated above, RMT would be listed as "ToS" while Cheating and/or Hacking is listed as "Cheating." In addition, when banned for RMT, they do not put you on the Unholy Ban Hammer for 7 - 10 days in order to allow you to appeal the process; when Cheats/Hacks are the culprit, they ban you and instantly put you on the Ban Hammer list as they do not allow any appeals for such cases due to their claim that when they ban for this, it is 100% warranted.

So basically, ALL members of KGB need to be playing this one as close to intended game mechanics as possible. Use G-13 etc scripts at your own risk, purchase items at your own risk.

Any hacks should be immediate charges, with the full intent for the member to be axed, again, with extreme prejudice.

I agree fully with this statement.

Being banned because of scripts or TOS violations is one thing.

Cheaters will never be tolerated under any circumstances.

Well, i don't cheat (by my definition) in video games nor do i plan do. I'm actually too afraid to even buy gold (in darkfall). However i will eventually be using my g15/gaming mouse and whatever scripts i can get my hands on if i feel it can improve my play. Am i to understand this is against the TOS in DF? Seems a little harsh to ban someone outright for something like that without at least a warning first.

I've played other games where scripts, and gaming keyboards where supposedly against the TOS, but i used them heavily and was never even so much as spoken to or warned about it. So i guess my question here is does anyone actually know for sure that these things are what people are getting banned for? Or is the 'cheating' tag on the banhammer strictly for aimbots, esp, etc?

There isn't a problem as long as you don't walk away and go afk during the running of the script. If someone reports you regarding the potential script running a gm will message and if you fail to respond in a quick manner you will be kicked off the server. Depending on the attempts and severity you may be banned.

Cheating on the Unholy Ban Hammer can be for scripting, botting, hacks, memory alteration, esp, aimbots, etc. Using a normal G-13 script should not cause any problems, as long as it is only utilizing something you could already do in game (ie. Cycling spells); however, if you are using a scripting or botting program to harvest while AFK (I do not mean hitting one node and going AFK to eat, I mean using a program that will physically move you and hit other nodes) then you can be banned for "Cheating."

If you are caught AFK Macroing, normally, you receive a message from a GM and when you do not respond, they kick you and claim to give you a warning. We have several people that have received the "kick & warn" but have not been banned for it.

Both toons have been booted from our roster atm not sure what else to do

Filed Supreme Court charges to ensure its investigated, in-case they re-activate with new accounts. No Cheating.

This really is unfortunate, especially with the shit talk and crying that was going on in global late last night that was directed at KGB. I also saw on the forums someone mentioning us in the ban thread. While they are probably Kill Cult and are just trash talking after the beating they got the other day, it still kind of sucks to get the negative publicity. I am hopeful that this is just a misunderstanding on some level...

We might need to go spank some Kill Cult again so I feel better.

This issue is now being handled by the KGB Supreme Court and there is additional information being presented; all parties involved will be contacted. There is always a chance that those accused have not committed the offenses in the severity originally thought, so lets not be so quick to speak ill of the accused until we know everything.

This is summed up pretty well, lets get the facts first. As dysfunctional as AV is it could be nothing. We will find out and handle it accordingly. So if anyone else is using questionable scripts, I would not be using those at this time. We could have a target on our back if this all turns out to be in fact true.

Presumed innocent, until proven guilty...

Let's make sure that the accused has the chance to give their side of the story.

This thread needs to be locked now that official action is being taken by the supreme court.