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Posted By: Slinger The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 12:18 AM
Disclaimer: This is by no means my attempt to convert people or insult anyone's religion (even though it does, and if you can't see the points he makes on all the religions he talks about, including yours, I think you're dense). Enjoy!

http://www.thejesusmyth.com/the-truth-about-religion.htm
Posted By: Crimthan Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 12:45 AM
Yeah, I've listened to that guy before, and agree with him on some points.

However, he's basically telling us that Jesus didn't exist simply because of all the coincidences that align with him; basically attempting to divert us away from the Real Truth: Regardless of how fucked up organized religion is (and I fully believe that with ALL religions) Jesus did indeed exist. His existence was chronicled by the Romans who hung him from a cross; along with this is numerous archeological evidence, including the scrolls of Mary Magdalene that was conveniently omitted from the collaboration called the original Bible (watch the History channel) which spoke of Jesus on multiple ocassions.

The problem is: so many people want to believe Jesus didn't exist simply because they don't believe in Christianity. I don't know if they've realized this or not, but Jesus wasn't a Christian either. That came around after his death. Jesus was very much real - just as real as Plato and a myriad of other extremely wise philosophers that have existed in history.

The bottom line for me: I scoff at both atheism and extreme right ring religionists: The former because they hate religion to the point that they fail to look at simple historical evidence proving Jesus' existence (whether he was a just a philosophising carpenter or a Prophet or THE Son of God can be debated forever); and the latter - because they're so blinded by brainwashing that they can't wake up and realize that both the New and Old Testaments aren't whole - a lot was omitted for the sake of stronger control over people, and to ensure the power of the church (total bullshit and totally anti-spiritual - I doubt Jesus would have condoned any of it if he were present).
Posted By: Derid Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 12:50 AM

I actually agree 100% with Crimthan on this, believe it or not.
Posted By: Helemoto Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 01:40 AM
The end of days as we know it is upon us. Thanks Derid.
Posted By: Slinger Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 01:42 AM
I'm super glad you don't like organized religion, neither do I, and neither does he. The recording has so little to do with whether Jesus was a miracle-worker, a normal guy, an asshole illusionist magician, or completely non-existent though. The main focus is him yelling at those blinded by their religious leaders for being so goddamn stupid (pardon the pun) and blowing themselves up, fighting in wars, and the like because [insert appropriate reward based on respective religion here]. The point is to stop inflicting your views on other people, no one actually gives a shit about what anyone else thinks their god would like most, especially atheists; we just want to live our lives unburdened by the constant misinterpretations of the half-finished stories in the [insert respective holy literature here].

It's really frustrating to see religion put their temporary roadblocks on advances in science and technology. As an example, I don't understand how people can't see how obvious it is that stem cells ARE going to be used in the future to do all sorts of wonderful things, and when that times comes everyone is going to be totally cool with it and no one will even remember that there was any opposition in the first place.

If I keep ranting I'll just lose track of what I'm talking about though, so I'm gonna cut myself off here until someone feels like a debate. ^^
Posted By: Crimthan Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 01:48 AM
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The end of days as we know it is upon us. Thanks Derid.




LOL, since when is it a big deal to agree with me? Derid and I have agreed before. For instance; we both agree on Mouse and Keyboard vs Console Controller....lol.
Posted By: Slinger Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 02:00 AM
I had a long post to follow up my previous post with, but I've decided to narrow it down to only one sentence:

I think everyone should adopt pre-theistic Buddhism.
Posted By: Heidi Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 02:51 AM
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I think everyone should adopt pre-theistic Buddhism.




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The point is to stop inflicting your views on other people, no one actually gives a shit about what anyone else thinks their god would like most, especially atheists






My response? I think people need to find what fulfills their lives on their own. We are all seeking to have purpose in our lives. Some find it in God, some find it in knowledge, some find it in the simple things in life. What it comes down to is people have a constitutional right to pursue whatever they damn well please. Tired of hearing people express what they believe in? Get ear plugs.
Posted By: Slinger Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 04:09 AM
I don't mind hearing it, its when my life becomes governed by it that I have an issue.

If someone says to me "God exists." I respond with a polite little "I doubt it, but we'll see when the time comes."

If someone says to me "You're going to Hell because you support abortion, gay marriage, and stem cell research!" I tell them to fuck off and die in a fire.

All in all, being expressive is VERY different from being and overbearing control freak, and that's what these madmen suicide bombers and the like are. And yes, I am putting those who want laws against things like abortion, stem cell research, and gay marriage on the same level as suicide bombing Islam radicals.
Posted By: Daye Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 04:45 AM
Sling-

You would probably like anything from Richard Dawkins and / or
Carl Sagan. I have a few titles from both of them and they
have some interesting insights on this subject. A few of
the others I have are The End of Faith and the Psycho Bible
but they are tough reading. Those titles you do good to
get through a chapter without your head hurting

Pick some up when you get time

They make for interesting reading.
Posted By: Slinger Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 02:24 PM
I love both of them! I'm not too big on reading long, non-fiction books because I have a hard time finishing them, but I've read PLENTY of articles and papers by both of them. My house mates and I watch Sagan's 'Cosmos' all the time!

I doubt I'm making an introduction to anyone here, but my favorite author is Douglas Adams. He does an amazing job of keeping it fresh and witty while making several beautiful points on the absurdities of organized religion and government through narrative prose. If you haven't already, pick up the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (and its respective sequals). I'm so excited, my parents are bringing my bible-sized copy from home when they come to visit this weekend so I can read it again!
Posted By: chaulootz Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/17/07 02:25 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=e2o1ww_Nexk

Proof that Jesus was real and he had amazing powers!
Posted By: Ken_Kamillion Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/18/07 12:36 AM
I was raised penecostal but as a adult i consider myself non-dominational. I beleve in Jesus christ he died for our sins and that is all i have to say about that. I know there is a god because if there wasnt i wouldnt be here typing to you right now.

So please delete this post from the kgb board and not more religious post please. This is not what this board is about it is about gaming.
Posted By: Valentein Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/18/07 03:02 AM
I don't mind religion.

Just keep it out of politics.

[Of course, organizing against totalitarian regimes is an exception in my book (i.e. Monks in Burma).]
Posted By: Daye Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/18/07 05:09 AM
Ahhh but Ken !

SOMETHING has to take up our time whilst we are lacking
a decent game

Religious topics makes for some heated debates that can
sometimes be fun.

One of the other forums I post in has a discussion going
on about what you think the definition of atheism is. It
will become a battlefield pretty quickly I think

-Daye
Posted By: Slinger Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/18/07 12:54 PM
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Want to discuss something not game related? Politics, you name it. This is the place for unlimited open discussion. Please be respectful.




I feel this thread meets the prerequisites to exist here.

I'd also like to reiterate that I don't care what anyone believes in. When I say I don't care I don't mean to say "your beliefs are rubbish", but that I really couldn't care any less whether you, your family, or anyone else in the world believes whatever it is that you believe, as long as you're not going to persecute people based on it. It is *my* personal belief that there is nothing supernatural, and I don't expect anyone to give two shits about that. The point I'm trying to make by sharing this recording with people has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of anything at all. I'm trying to explain that you're in charge of yourself, and thats the only person you should be in charge of. Don't go around telling other people that your beliefs are the correct ones, because chances are that you're wrong. Chances are that I'm wrong too. In fact, all things considered, there's a pretty good chance that there isn't a single person on this entire planet that has anywhere close to a real idea of whats going on around them. I put most of my faith in science, because it does a pretty good job of explaining the world to me, at least on a scale I'm comfortable with. As much faith as I have in science, I don't believe a single bit of it; it has way too many holes and gaps to make perfect sense, much like any and all religions.
Posted By: Drakiis Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/18/07 07:00 PM
There is a huge difference between Religion and Faith
Posted By: Chez Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/22/07 06:31 PM
I follow Jesus Christ, and believe firstly through research and evidence, then by faith, and lastly by feelings, that he existed, and that there is more evidence for his existence, miracles, death, and resurrection than any other person who ever lived.

I know alot of people classify "religion" as one big thing, and that they are all bad and all the same. As for those people, I hope you would do some more research.

Debate between Richard Dawkins and John Lennox

This is a very good debate between two very knowledgeable people, and obviously I am on the side of John Lennox, and agree with everything he says. Interestingly enough, I also agree with Dawkins about almost everything he says about religion and its negative effects.

However, I don't place Christianity in that "blob" he calls religion. I view it as truth, and as reality. Of course you can listen to this recording and have your mind closed, like some people who post comments and just say that John is just "preaching" and that nothing he says is valid, which you have a right to do, but is also very ignorant of evidence.

Also not sure if anyone has ever heard of Josh Mcdowell, who has written several books on the evidence for christianity, one very small and simple one called "more than a carpenter" the more recent is "Evidence for Christianity."

I enjoy talking about this topic, especially with people who have the very common assumptions and easily answered questions that are their excuse to not examine the evidence and find out the truth for themselves.

Please listen to this discussion and hear what both sides are saying.

PS. I would also consider Atheism a form of religion as well, as you will hear John Lennox talk about briefly. There is also alot more evidence out there than just this stuff, but this is a huge topic and i think i covered the basics.
Posted By: Slinger Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/23/07 02:41 AM
I haven't had a chance to listen to the debate yet, I'm waiting for my room mate to have the time to listen with me.

As far as Christianity not being part of the "blob" of religions goes I feel I only need to quote Stephen F. Roberts: "I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other gods you will understand why I dismiss yours."

And I totally disagree with atheism being a religion. It's a lifestyle more than anything else, much like Buddhism was before it spread East and was butchered by those who needed something greater to contribute their existence to.

I'll have more to say once I get a chance to listen to this debate sometime later this week, I'm sure.
Posted By: Daye Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/23/07 03:42 AM
Religion vs faith is a lot like hobbies vs interests.

One costs you a LOT of money, the other is free but just
as satisfying
Posted By: Valentein Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/23/07 04:27 AM
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Religion vs faith is a lot like hobbies vs interests.

One costs you a LOT of money, the other is free but just
as satisfying




That's a good one Daye.
Posted By: syev Re: The Concerned Atheist - 10/23/07 06:58 PM
yeah this thread is entertaining.
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