Great article that sites the EDGE report that just came out showing that employees are fed up with the bullshit that employers have pulled since the beginning of the recessions. I know for a fact Boeing is going to have a blood letting by the end of this year and into next year as the market recovers. Boeing, and the Aerospace industry in general have taken giant turds on their employees and in general have been operating in a very non-ethical, don't give a shit about you, your a disposable commodity that can be easily replaced, attitude which has driven employee morale to all time lows. Our last employee survey was very telling as employee satisfaction took a 50 percent hit due to crappy leadership, mismanagement of 401k, pension, and medical benefits, not to mention trying to bilk the government for billions of dollars, not once, but twice in the last 3 years.

Great Post!

Just do it already...

Do what you ask?

Just give people a fucking raise or a bonus, what's so hard about that, THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT FOR RECOGNITION.

OR

More vacation time

OR

God forbid, no overtime, more time with the family or to have a social life

Gift cards/food/parties that's all so fake and cheap I don't even have words for it...

every time they have a office party saying "good job everyone" it's like a slap in the face.

Try getting "Pride" awards for points which you trade in for over valued cheap ass crap made in China, and to top it off, since 1point = $1 value, you get taxed for the dollar amount of the Pride award.

Fucking Priceless...

I will be lucky to see a 2.5% or 3% COLA this year.

32 hour work week!!!!!!!!!

More time for DFO.

wow this sounds so fantastic, who ever came up with that idea should be fired. In fact who ever hired that person should be fired as well just to be safe. Knowing corporate America though, it's always the coffee drinking, internet surfing ass kissers that get to keep their job while some other poor fool gets shit canned just for showing up on time.

Cmon, lets hope for raises, promotions and a reduced work week!

A man can dream.

What do you think this is...Europe?

Well when you say it that way one could draw comparisons to the economic collapse of Europe after WWII, and how companies over there who wished to take advantage of the potential after the war worked their employee's into the ground. Ya one could say America is doing this due to the unstable economy, making their work force work longer and harder jobs for less and less pay so that companies can keep their heads above the water, by not having to pay out as much for labor

Businesses are not people. They have no feelings, empathetic or apathetic to their employees. Companies do not have a heart. Just two internal organs. The brain and the stomach. The only job of the brain is to keep the stomach from going empty. If the stomach goes empty, the brain and all other organs and appendages of the company die. When times are good, the stomach gets a little fuller and the rest of the body is happy and puts on a few pounds and raised their BMI. When the times are tough, the belt is tightened and the rest of the body feels like all they eat these days is Ramen Noodle. Some of the excess fat is shedded and the rest of the body has to work harder on less to keep the stomach from going hungry.

Companies are not charities that provide to the community. They do not exist to employee people. They are there to make a dollar. As a result of them being in business, companies need employees. If the company fails, then so does the employee. It doesn't operate in the red for a few years in order to keep food on your table.

Now on the other side of the coin, in the US, everyone gets what they deserve for their work. I do not believe anyone is underpaid or overpaid. People either accept their pay, or they look for another job. We live in an era and a country where the workforce is mobile and people can choose to work where they want. If I do not like my job, I look for another. I can work closer to home, or I can move to another city or state. It's not always easy, but we can do it here. The only people with crappy jobs are the people who choose to work in crappy jobs. If you get stuck in a crappy job, don't settle. Look for another. It is called choice and self motivation.

Only recently has it been possible in the EU. Before if you were an IT tech in Sweden, you had to work in Sweden and pay their taxes, unless you had permission from the State. Once the work barriers came down, Spain was flooded with Viking techies where it cost them less to work. EU is becoming mobile as well these days.

So unless you live in some commie country, or some union run state (Michigan for example) that determines what you should be doing and when you should be doing it, you have the job that you asked for.

That is my two bits worth.

Square, you sir must have had your eyes and ears closed if you have ever had any dealings with a Senior Manager, Director, Executive, or VP, who couldn't ties their shoes, think their way out of a wet paper bag, or even make believable they were competent.

Boeing has layers and layers of incompetent, overpaid, individuals who fall in the aforementioned description.

Furthermore, when an institution or company puts forward that they are exactly the opposite of your description, and then continue to enforce this "culture" and foist the requirements to perpetuate this HR propaganda onto its employees, and then turns around in the next moment and then violates everything that it tires to project that it is. Well, that is just insidious at best, and tell me how you can be "mobile" in an environment where even the most experienced and educated can't even change jobs in the current economic peril.

Right now its an Employeer's market, and the audience is captive, so Employeer's are taking this opportunity to take an extra dump right on employee's in a take it or else approach. The problem being, once we return to some kind of normalcy, and one can again become "mobile", the best and brightest performers that those Employeer's took the opportunity to crap all over are going to be giving a vote of no confidence, and take their game some place else.

I am not disagreeing with you at all. I didn't say management was competent. I didn't say companies were smart. I said they have one goal and it is not to make employees happy. It is to make a return on its investments.

"the best and brightest performers that those Employeer's took the opportunity to crap all over are going to be giving a vote of no confidence, and take their game some place else."

My point exactly. And some will not wait till normalcy to change jobs. It's a bad economy, but it is far from a dead economy. It's the people that get up and look for another job with steadfastness or take the time to improve or change their skill set are the ones that will work where they want to work and not settle for what is dished out to them.

It is human nature to settle in and accept what you have. It's easier to deal with the devil you have than the devil you don't know. I've worked for some crappy assed companies in the past and I remember sitting there telling myself, I'm getting another job, but I'd take my paycheck, go home and crank up the MMO and start playing instead of looking for another job, or improving my skills, or cleaning up my resume. Next thing you know, another year has passed at a crappy job and I was moving on to a new MMO. And my opinion is, I deserved to work at that crappy job. Why? Because I wasn't willing to put in the extra effort to look for something else.

I think we are saying basically the same thing. What I get from you is that the company is fucking up and dropping turds on their employees and that it is wrong. I am saying, it might be wrong, but the employees can drop a turd in their cubicle on their way out to door as they start their new job elsewhere.

If the employees do not leave, why should the company change its practices?

Here is a joke I learned a long time ago. I have heard a few variations of it, but this is the one I learned.

And one more thought for this hour. It's slow for me today at work obviously.

The whole company/employee relationship goes both ways. Look at what happened to the Big Three automakers of the US. Through unionized labor these companies were driven into the dirt. It was the employees dropping turds on their companies that they worked for. "Give me more, give me more. You aren't making any money company? Screw you, give me more." I say. MORE POWER TO THEM. They got what they asked for and so did GM, Ford and Chrysler. They AGREED to the demands and the only one left that isn't owned by the government is Ford.

Now if you look at the other American made cars of Toyota and Honda, where they chose not to do business in union states, they are doing much better, and from what I understand, the employees are being treated just fine, even if they aren't making boocoos of dollars.

I just want to say that I think your analogy is wrong Squared, at least depending on who's perspective that is really stated from.

Your workforce, your employee's are the brain of the cooperate machine, they are the ultimate architects of fate, you have to factor in the human equation, we pay the bills, we get the job done, without us the stomach isn't full, and unfortunately we make the choices too which ultimately means if you are being screwed by your job that's because some asshole is doing the screwing. Just as Tas states;



If your original statement stands Squared then why would a company project such a diverse, caring, and equal persona if it is a simple machine without feelings? No I think companies are just as flawed as those operating them, and that many seek to do the injustices that they are accused of intentionally and then cover it all up as a paper work glitch, or some normal cog of big business slip up just to see how much they really can get away with.

I have had jobs where I was "cross trained" or I was a "specialist" which is to say I got paid for one job but filled multiple roles. In my last job as a Broadband technical specialist I didn't just troubleshoot technical issues over the phone no, I handled marketing, sales, billing, appointments, services. Guess what i got paid for doing all of that?



8.00 hr

IMHO that is not a fair market value for handling areas of business that most would consider separate departments from one another, or areas where the pay is usually much more substantial.

HR's are used as a cooperate muscle now, they are the brain washing agents of the company, the propaganda they spew is direct from the company and the company uses them as a employee spy. Anyone foolish enough to actually go to HR for a personal reason or to seek help will find themselves receiving lower wage increases, more managerial scrutiny, a worse work schedule, overtime, more work load, less seniority for vacation time, or time off, poorer ratings or scores on evaluations.

I was friends with a guy who worked in HR when I was with IBM and he asked me once, "Dux if you don't like something about your job why don't you talk to someone from my department?" Then I answered his question with a question, (typical of me) "Steve, where does your paper work, or reports go?"

He said "to my boss, why?"

I said "where from there?"

"to his boss"

"...and who from there?"

Then it dawned on him.

and that's why I don't go down and "ask" for "help" from HR. Because your pay checks are signed by the same company I work for.

Maybe my analogy sucks, or maybe I see things different. I never said companies were not flawed. It is the employees who make the decisions and run the show. But the higher you go up the chain of employees, the more their job is dependent on that corporate stomach not going hungry. But you are still dealing with employees, not the corporation. The corporation is abstract.

I see the job market as a 'market' where employees get to shop and the Corporations get to try and lure potential employees into the doors. If the company sucks, the employee can move. I think the story supports that statement. Business are trying to find ways to keep their employees from moving to another job, but they've been doing that for decades. The fact that it is a story now means that it has been a while since they publish this story before. I've seen the same thing on 20/20, 60 minutes, other publications for my entire adult life. Where do you think company funded health benefits come from? That was the 40's and it was to lure and retain employees. But when it comes down to it, when times get hard, companies have no loyalty to anyone and will trim the fat to keep the money in the black because that is their only purpose for existence.

Anyways, the day is over at work and I need to get home to babysit my mahirim.

I see your point now, and I agree, however I have seen company benefits change to reflect not a change in the plan itself or the providers of that plan but to accommodate for a new employment model and once said company met the required workforce numbers the benefits package got dumped or altered again...it's so deceptive and elusive.

It always boils down to those damn shareholders, and corporate figure heads.

I lawled.

the company i work for just gives you days off with pay here and there, and for all the big bolidays they send you a giftcard to a grocery store so you dont go broke buying the overly massive quantities you have for it, they also hold a banquet and give out presents ( not cheap ones either ) to all employees who attend around christmas with an open bar limo service and hotel if you are from out of town etc, needless to say I'll be sticking with them.

damn right you will lol

I agree with Squared. I'd list the details but he said pretty much exactly the way I see things. The short version is:

Company's are exactly what Squared said. However, they are run by people, which is what Drakiis was referring to. Ultimately though, if you don't like it... LEAVE. Which is what I'm preparing to do right now because I'm tired of the bullshit.

It's exactly what I am doing as well Kaotic. You can either accept being taken advantage of, like it or not, or do something about it. So, I have accepted being underpaid and having a glass ceiling for advancement because the Company has determined they rather retain dead weight at the upper levels and artificially hold down those of us who deserve/earned the right to advance. In addition to this Boeing has decided that we are a disposable commodity as employees who they feel can be easily replaced in a short turn churn. Of course their wrong, but that's neither here nor there.

Bottom line, I am taking my game someplace else, where I can advance my craft.

well then birthday boy why are you going to freeze your nuts off in Minnesota for the company then?

Because I like my toys, and I never make a move until its time. I am not looking for greener pastures, I am looking for the next rung on the career ladder. That takes time, calculated planning, and a shit ton of ass kissing aka: networking.

I want to go to Australia and work for Bechtel on the worlds largest open pit mine. That just doesn't happen overnight.

I already help cost control and reduce tooling tact time on the biggest mfg stage in America, now its time for another Continent and another massive project.

you are my hero

I'll come to Aussy land with you and clean house. I also cook