Finally, someone in the mainstream is doing some journalism instead of sucking the cock's of the oligopoly that has health care as a screw you - pay us, system.
We pay twice as much for basic healthcare in the US then ANY other of the top 20 Industrialized nations. Our prescription cost is almost 5 times as high, and were at the bottom for care delivered per unit spent.
I agree something needs to be done on healthcare, but to let government control it isn't what we need either. If we would know for sure that they would ONLY compete and not take over healthcare as a whole I would be more receptive to it. But like always, once government gets their feet in the door your not going to get them out. And what makes me even more leary is how bad they wanted to pass this bill before anyone even got a chance to really go over the bill to make sure of what were getting.
The end of life issues is what has my attention at the moment. My parents are getting old, and I don't want nobody from the government coming in and advising them on shit. That's what my job is, they can just stay the hell away. That's going into a direction that we as a free country should be very worried about. If they can come in and start going over options of your health then where is it going to stop them from going even further? Sorry if this is the change we have to have to gain reputation back throughout the world, well then they can just shove it up their ass, I want my freedom. We didn't come this far to start going backwards.
I agree with Wolfgang. While I don't agree with medical costs, etc, I definitely don't want the government running medical, etc - a gateway for the government to begin running everything else in my life. I believe in small government.
There must be a "best of both worlds" solution out there somewhere.
I am also a little concerned with developing new treatments/drugs most of which our current health system does which will be limited I believe under a government health plan that can dictate pricing.
Isn't it funny that part of the reason this country was founded was people were paying too much money in taxes to their governments?
I have a friend who lives in Fl and makes a 6 figure income, after all the new tax laws go into effect he will be paying 68% of his income in taxes. That my friends and neighbors is TOO FUCKING MUCH!! Something must be done soon or this nation will be a nation of beggars within 10 years.
Violence is not the answer, logical, clear, concise thinking and planning is!
I have to disagree with you Tasorin. You state that the CNN newscaster lays down the smack, but what he actually does is cleverly avoid the facts laid out by the interviewee.
The guy being interviewed, who I've never heard of, clearly states that the fines they paid were due to mistakes in medicare filings and that the government, thanks to Bill Clinton, considers "ANY MISTAKE IN FILING" to be fruad. With 135,000 pages of medicare rules how easy do you suppose it is to make a mistake when filing a claim?
I'm not taking this guy's side, he may be a sleazeball, but to the point that the CNN guy cleaned his clock, I think that's a wildly inaccurate claim.
As for the healthcare debate in general, we pay more. We pay more for everything. We also have access to everything. How many wealthy people fly to Canada or GB to get that treatment that they just can't get or are on a waiting list for here? NONE.
Hell, Ted Kennedy left MA for FL so fast that it took a couple of days for the media to figure out where he'd gone. Why you ask? Because under MA's socialized healthcare he couldn't pay enough, even though he's like a king there, to get the treatment he needed for his cancer. If he'd not been able to fly to Florida he'd be DEAD.
Now, I'd be the first to argue that we'd be better off without TK, but this just makes my point. We have the best doctors, the best drugs, and the best treatment facilities in this country. I believe that the biggest reason we pay more is because doctors must have malpractice insurance and the premiums are rediculous because of the payouts the insurance companies are forced to make. If we institute some very simple tort reform, loser pays (costs split 30/70 plaintiff/lawyer), then we will see a dramatic decrease in the number of frivolous claims and a sharp reduction in our costs as a result.
You won't see that though because that kind of change would spill over into other aspects of our judicial system and as long as the laws are made by the lawyers, that just won't happen.
I don't understand why people can't understand what this is, never has Obama said, this will be a "government controled system' My uncle needs some tests done, but he doesn't have the money to pay for it. we need this.
He doesn't need to say that. It's the "frog in the stewpot" trick that both sides of government like to play. Plant the seed, and eventually it will grow to become what you actually wanted.
You don't want state healthcare. You really don't, at least if you don't want your grand-grandchildren to pay for your health bills while getting shit healthcare cause someone has to pay your debts.
So the CBO came out and said in 10 years the deficit will be over $7 trillion. The Whitehouse released an estimate that it will be $9 trillion, so where are we cutting the deficit? Obama isn't cutting shit, this is a power grab plain & simple. It has NOTHING to do with people having Insurance or not.
The more comes out about what Obama is doing the more I have a bad feeling about where his TRUE intentions are. It's common sense, how can he say he's going to cut the deficit and then come out with a 10 year projection that we will be even more in debt up to $9 trillion. Does this raise a red flag to anyone else?
We can reform healthcare without tearing down the whole system then rebuilding into a socialist power grab. We can also make emergency pools for people that can't afford Insurance and help provide them with it. Again WITHOUT the government intervening and being the Insurer.
I know what It's like to not have Insurance and have a medical emergency occur. I had to have emergency surgery 4 years ago, I spent a week In the hospital and accumilated $10,000 in hospital bills. I had a third of it reduced from charity funds hospitals have in cases like mine. I paid the rest of it out of my own pocket. Yes it was a strain to have that extra cost. But I damn sure do not want some government official telling me what I can and can't do. As I said, Insurance and healthcare needs some kind of reform. But not a power grab the way this obviously is.
And SAlOCHIN, if your uncle needs Insurance...Oregan has a state ran Insurance. May try moving there then telling us how it all works out. I seen a story about a women in Oregan that had cancer and instead of giving her cancer treatment that costs $4,000 they denied the treatment and offered her a $50 drug that would end her life. Is that the kind of healthcare system you want?
Take a look at the VA if you want to see what government run health care is like. My nephew, a former Marine injured by a Marine DI in a training exercise where he had both shoulders broken, has about a 75% disability, can't raise his arms above shoulder level, but has been fighting the VA for 7 years to get the necessary orthopedic surgery needed to improve his range of motion. It has been an endless paperwork nightmare. In his experience, the VA has been a government health care non-provider.
And they want to do this for the nation as a whole? Fix the VA, fix Medicare and Medicaid (both of which are projected to be bankrupt in the next few years), and then get back to me before you want suggest expanding this goat fuck to encompass everyone.
thats cos you live in the states where the government doesn't give a shit.
if you want to see a proper health care system look at Finland or Australia's not Canada's cos that shit shows going to be bankrupt in enough years, although we do have the option of going somewhere you have to pay for the surgery and then billing the government for it.
It's simple, give people the option to get healthcare ANYWHERE in the U.S. If you live in New York and you can find health Insurance cheaper in Texas then you should be able to do it.
That would be a free market option, either insurance companies will lower their price or go out of business for lack of customers. Now about pre-existing coverage I think Insurance companies should have to cover you or at least a portion. We have got to have tort reform, lawsuits and the cost of them get passed onto us the customer. There should be a cap on those. That would save a ton of money. Just doing this they could save enough money to finally be able to fix the VA and maybe have some left over to make a emergency insurance pool for those people that can't afford Insurance.
What Obama is wanting to do with our healthcare system is like taking a vehicle that's running very well and totally gutting it and putting something in it to make it run even worse than what was already there. It's simply nothing more than a powergrab, a way to get the government foot into YOUR door. $9 trillion, that's what the projected whitehouse deficit will be in 10 years. So how are we saving ANYTHING? And they want us to trust them... lol <shaking head>
It's simple, give people the option to get healthcare ANYWHERE in the U.S. If you live in New York and you can find health Insurance cheaper in Texas then you should be able to do it.
THAT is a good idea - that will create more competition among health insurance agencies, which in turn creates a good chance that prices will be lowered.
Hell, Ted Kennedy left MA for FL so fast that it took a couple of days for the media to figure out where he'd gone. Why you ask? Because under MA's socialized healthcare he couldn't pay enough, even though he's like a king there, to get the treatment he needed for his cancer. If he'd not been able to fly to Florida he'd be DEAD.
You posted this and two days later Ted Kennedy died. You sir killed Ted Kennedy.
MA's healthcare is kind of a failure because they didn't do ENOUGH! Guaranteed issue insurance simply doesn't work unless there is also a lot of other regulation to go with it. You need to both mandate that all citizens participate (spreading the burden of cost evenly) and heavily regulate the unnecessary profits the health industry can make, especially though reduced administrative costs and collective pharmaceutical bargaining.
So what's really interesting about Obama's drive for health care reform is that I believe it's primarily driven by economics. Our country is going to go bankrupt funding Medicare in this health environment within my lifetime.
Unfortunately, collective pharmaceutical bargaining has already been thrown out the window by Obama, in an attempt to just get everyone to get together and start talking about it. My prediction is that his plan will be SO COMPROMISED in the end that it won't meet the cost reduction target, and it will fail because it "costs too much." This is exactly what the insurance companies want, because their profits are the first thing to go if he succeeds.
1. I believe in a balanced budget and therefore will vote for a freeze in government spending until that goal is realized.
2. I believe government should not increase the financial burden on its citizenry during a difficult economic times, therefore I will oppose all tax increases until our economy has rebounded.
3. I believe more than four decades of US dependence on foreign oil is a travesty, therefore I will support an energy plan that calls for immediately increasing usage of all domestic resources including nuclear energy, natural gas and coal as necessary.
4. I believe in the sovereignty and security of our country and therefore will support measures to close our borders except for designated immigration points so we will know who is entering and why. I will vehemently oppose any measure giving another country, the United Nations, or any other entity power over US citizens.
5. I believe the United States of America is the greatest country on earth and therefore will not apologize for policies or actions which have served to free more and feed more people around the world than any other nation on the planet.
That came from Glenn Beck like him or love him the guy hit it on the money with these pledges.
CNN,ABC,NBC,MSN hide the truth There not even talking about CZARS or what is really on that healthcare bill.
If u want something that was over 40 years ago in 1960 by ronald reagan. Listen to this it sums us up today more then 40 years almost 50. Ronald reagan was to me a great president and possibly one of the greatest politician remember he said this before most of us were even born.
