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Originally Posted By: Wolfgang
IF they did get elected because of that don't you think that means a large majority of the population is religious?


Even if every last man, woman and child was god-fearing christian, still that would not be appropriate. Separation of church and state is absolute doctrine, there isn't sorta or unless majority agrees otherwise clauses in it.

You know what happens otherwise? Sharia law, hijab and stoning for infidelity.


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Originally Posted By: sinij
Wolfgang, have you listened to any primary debates? This is exactly what is happening, especially with anti-gay and anti-abortion movements hijacking conservatism. What would you call when a republican candidate can come out on national debate and openly state that he will disband and prohibit gay unions because Bible says so? How is that not an interference from church in a matters of state?


So you'd rather vote for a guy who believes that abortion is murder but doesn't say anything about it, than for a guy who believes the same way and stands for his principles? So, are you saying that you want your politicians to lie to you?

Likewise you'd rather vote for a guy who believes that marriage is a religious institution and should be between a man and a woman but keeps that to himself so he can get elected rather than vote for someone who lies to you about his beliefs?

For the record, its pretty clear you're talking about Santorum, and I didn't see anyone else get asked those questions, nor did he respond the way you're insinuating that he did. He was asked what he believed and he gave and honest answer. He was asked if he believed those laws should be changed and again gave an honest answer. He was never asked if he was going to devote his presidency, if elected, to changing those laws and hasn't made any indication that he plans to.

What does it say about our political system that we finally get a guy who seems to answer honestly when asked a question, rather than dodge or spin, and its so out of character for our politicians that we assume there must be something wrong with him or he has some agenda to change the country?


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Originally Posted By: sinij
Why are your "morals" should be part of my government?


Thats an excellent question, why dont you answer it as well?


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It is hilarious seeing a list like this, as if the left does not suffer from the same thing. Soros, MCNBC, NY Times, MoveOn, Big Unions,etc,etc


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Originally Posted By: sinij
Why are your "morals" should be part of my government?


Thats an excellent question, why dont you answer it as well?


Sodomy laws used as a political weapon in Malaysia. This what happens when you don't have sufficient separation of church and state.


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"Over the last four decades, the Republican Party has transformed from a loyal opposition into an insurrectionary party that flouts the law when it is in the majority and threatens disorder when it is the minority. It is the party of Watergate and Iran-Contra, but also of the government shutdown in 1995 and the impeachment trial of 1999. If there is an earlier American precedent for today's Republican Party, it is the antebellum Southern Democrats of John Calhoun who threatened to nullify, or disregard, federal legislation they objected to and who later led the fight to secede from the union over slavery."

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Sure, because a guy writing for a rag that endorses the opposition should always be understood to be completely objective and never try to spin actual events into a political assault. Plus when one side accuses the other of espousing the same political leanings as those advocating slavery it must be true.


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Why are your "morals" should be part of my government?


Thats an excellent question, why dont you answer it as well?


Sodomy laws used as a political weapon in Malaysia. This what happens when you don't have sufficient separation of church and state.


I wasnt referring to Church/State - just morals in general. Some peoples morals think that govt should intervene in other areas, unrelated to religion.


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So in other words you are itching for another health care debate. Lets compartmentalize our discussions, so it is easier to revisit them in the future. Start new thread.


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Originally Posted By: sinij
Lets compartmentalize our discussions, so it is easier to revisit them in the future. Start new thread.
Done, use to your heart's content.


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