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I think main contributing factors to on-going radicalization and move to far-right of GOP can be contributed to following factors:

1. Koch brothers.



2. Evangelists taking over



3. Shrinking middle class and concentration of wealth and power at the top


4. Echo Chamber Nation



Result - welcome to the GOP of 2012, where Reagan wouldn't get a nomination for not being conservative enough.

1. Conspiracy much?

2. Mad that people with morals have figured out what your progressive/communist buddies learned in the early 1900's?

3. Sure, that's why even the poorest among us has a big screen HD TV and the woman who bought her groceries in front of me yesterday with food stamps then whipped out a wad of 100's to pay for her cigarettes and liquor drives an Escalade with 24" rims.

4. All humans seek to surround themselves with other like-minded humans. Its part of how natural selection works. Surely you understand evolutionary theory, right?

I don't think you understand Reagan's principles if you really think that the things being advocated by the current GOP crop are far to the right of him.

Why are your "morals" should be part of my government? Please respect separation of church and state.

Please show me separation of church and state in the constitution.

More importantly though, all laws are simply the codification of one groups morals over others.

It was actually not technically in the constitution but the Supreme Court did rule on it.

It is clear to anyone who reads the entire text that Jefferson was speaking about keeping the government from interfering in your exercise of religion. It has been so skewed today as to suggest that no individual who happens to be in government can express their religious views or make a moral argument from a religious perspective without being accused of being ignorant or unlawful. It has been streched to the extreme to suggest that it is illegal to have a display of the 10 commandments displayed at a court house. Those 10 commandments are the well from which all our laws spring.

I'm not a religious person and I don't begrudge anyone their beliefs (unless their god says they have to kill me) but I can still rationally recognize what moral code was the basis for our legal foundation and not be offended because there is a copy of a religious text hanging on the wall at my local courthouse.

Furthermore, there is additional proof that the founders only intended for that clause of the constitution to apply to the federal government, and its interference at the state level (like most of the constitution is designed to do), since several of the original states had OFFICIAL STATE RELIGIONS until well into the 1800's.

REALLY? So you don't think Ron Paul's domestic stance isn't a right leaning stance? Far less Government & Far less spending! Reagan didn't do anything like Ron paul is wanting to. So are you saying Romney and the other Candidates are extreme right even though their domestic propositions aren't even close to what Ron Paul wants to do? Really man, you need to stop watching Keith Olberman.

As far as church & State, where has the Government forced anyone to turn Christian? Are you guys saying a fucking picture,statue, or bible is going to all the sudden going to turn you christian if you look at it?

Come on man! I don't like it when someone comes up to be preaching like they are trying to push it on to me. If I want to listen I'll let them continue if not, i'll be on my way. We do live in a free country... right? I can always turn the channel on my TV if something is on I don't like. For fucks sake, how many time has king Obama referenced "GOD" in his speeches? Did you find an urge to grab a bible and start reading it and didn't want to?

It's getting sickening that if you don't like something you want it stricken away. This freedom thing is great, until your freedoms interfere with mine, Is that what all this is about?

Wolfgang, have you listened to any primary debates? This is exactly what is happening, especially with anti-gay and anti-abortion movements hijacking conservatism. What would you call when a republican candidate can come out on national debate and openly state that he will disband and prohibit gay unions because Bible says so? How is that not an interference from church in a matters of state?

I would say if that's something I didn't like, I wouldn't vote for that person. IF they did get elected because of that don't you think that means a large majority of the population is religious? I mean I look around and there's a lot of non religious people. They are playing that up to their hardcore supporters, just like Obama plays up to his. The only thing you can hope for is there are enough people out their they believe in the things you believe in or at least can compromise on the ones they don't.

Even though you try to label some of us right wing terrorists, we have more things in common than you want to acknowledge. I don't agree with most of the Gay & Abortion issues on the right. And I don't completely agree with them on the left either.