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Sorry Vuldan, until he gets his courts-martial everything you are saying about him is moot... because he has not been convicted of anything.

Soldier or not, the govt does not have the right to hold him in solitary confinement and abuse the shit out of him for all of eternity without a trial.

You keep talking about punishment, but you do not even know he is guilty of anything. A supposed chat log, and the word of one douchebag. Oh, and a big media smear blitz.... thats all you know about the guy.


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Just remember all this soap box crap when its you inserted into a similar issue.

Goose and Gander...


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Non Sequitur?


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Originally Posted By: Derid

Non Sequitur?


Most of Tas's statements are like that Derid.


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Originally Posted By: Derid

Sorry Vuldan, until he gets his courts-martial everything you are saying about him is moot... because he has not been convicted of anything.

Soldier or not, the govt does not have the right to hold him in solitary confinement and abuse the shit out of him for all of eternity without a trial.

You keep talking about punishment, but you do not even know he is guilty of anything. A supposed chat log, and the word of one douchebag. Oh, and a big media smear blitz.... thats all you know about the guy.


Well, yes and no. There is a fine line about your right to exercise your rights in the military. I am no lawyer and I am certain there are arguements to both sides, but you contractually agree to abide by a new set of rules and laws when you join. Additionally, treasonous acts are really tricky. Your implied meaning is that since there has been no trial, he can not be detained. That is incorrect. I am not 100% sure of the specifics, but this site outlines and explains much;

http://court-martial.com/ucmj-and-espionage/

I am fairly confident that this would not have reached the level it has without some proof in the first place, and Assange deserves nothing but a swift bullet to the back of the head because like all crusaders, he thinks his actions are justified no matter the consequence.


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Originally Posted By: Vuldan
Assange deserves nothing but a swift bullet to the back of the head because like all crusaders, he thinks his actions are justified no matter the consequence.


Agreed !


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Originally Posted By: Vuldan
[quote=Derid]Assange deserves nothing but a swift bullet to the back of the head because like all crusaders, he thinks his actions are justified no matter the consequence.

Disagreed.

But don't come crying about socialism and big governments when you think attacking other countries is normal and creates special rules.


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[quote=Derid]Assange deserves nothing but a swift bullet to the back of the head because like all crusaders, he thinks his actions are justified no matter the consequence.

Disagreed.

But don't come crying about socialism and big governments when you think attacking other countries is normal and creates special rules.


I am not crying about socialism Arkh. I believe every socialist governnment should be destroyed. Period. I am not sure what you mean by creating special rules. Military actions which are directed by the commander in chief are, in my eyes, exempt from your rules of free knowledge. Any action by any reporter, news source or other which puts the lives of American Fighting men and women, or their allies, in needless danger, is not a good thing, but a thing which merits ruthless and quick removal from the gene pool of the human race.

I do not subscribe to some misguided belief that there are not governmental actions which are not on the up and up. I also do not subscribe to the naive belief that there is a guilt free government on the planet. I do however subscribe to the belief that thus far, in modern history, there are very few governments which have better merit than a democratic one, actually, scratch that, there are none.

You are sadly mistaken if you believe that America has any need to bend to the will of any country on the planet. We are weakened each and every time we allow the ridiculous notion that we are somehow going to take all the evil bullshit the world throws at us and shrug it off since we are all about freedom of speech and action, religion and the pursuit of happiness. Personally, it would not even bother my sleep pattern if Iran became a glass parking lot from border to border tomorrow, swiftly followed by Pakistan, and then any other country which houses radical terrorists and petty anarchists, regardless of what religious dogma they hide behind to justify their cause.

Simply stated, the entire rest of the world can kiss my royal ass when it comes to the lives of Americans in harms way, versus some radical's belief that the world deserves to know bullshit. Your belief that the world deserves to know will never stack up against even one life of a service member (American or ally) who was put in harms way, regardles of the wrongness or rightness of the governmental cause that put them there. I hope the distinction is clear. It's not about the politics for me, it's about the service men and women. Sorry if that disrupts someone's ideology about right and wrong.


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[quote=Derid]Assange deserves nothing but a swift bullet to the back of the head because like all crusaders, he thinks his actions are justified no matter the consequence.

Disagreed.

But don't come crying about socialism and big governments when you think attacking other countries is normal and creates special rules.


I am not crying about socialism Arkh. I believe every socialist governnment should be destroyed. Period. I am not sure what you mean by creating special rules. Military actions which are directed by the commander in chief are, in my eyes, exempt from your rules of free knowledge. Any action by any reporter, news source or other which puts the lives of American Fighting men and women, or their allies, in needless danger, is not a good thing, but a thing which merits ruthless and quick removal from the gene pool of the human race.

I do not subscribe to some misguided belief that there are not governmental actions which are not on the up and up. I also do not subscribe to the naive belief that there is a guilt free government on the planet. I do however subscribe to the belief that thus far, in modern history, there are very few governments which have better merit than a democratic one, actually, scratch that, there are none.

You are sadly mistaken if you believe that America has any need to bend to the will of any country on the planet. We are weakened each and every time we allow the ridiculous notion that we are somehow going to take all the evil bullshit the world throws at us and shrug it off since we are all about freedom of speech and action, religion and the pursuit of happiness. Personally, it would not even bother my sleep pattern if Iran became a glass parking lot from border to border tomorrow, swiftly followed by Pakistan, and then any other country which houses radical terrorists and petty anarchists, regardless of what religious dogma they hide behind to justify their cause.

Simply stated, the entire rest of the world can kiss my royal ass when it comes to the lives of Americans in harms way, versus some radical's belief that the world deserves to know bullshit. Your belief that the world deserves to know will never stack up against even one life of a service member (American or ally) who was put in harms way, regardles of the wrongness or rightness of the governmental cause that put them there. I hope the distinction is clear. It's not about the politics for me, it's about the service men and women. Sorry if that disrupts someone's ideology about right and wrong.


Replace american by afghan or iraqi in your text. Then remember who attacked there.

And then, open an history book about the roman empire.


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BAH..you did not read. Your belief that the world deserves to know will never stack up against even one life of a service member (American or ally) who was put in harms way, regardles of the wrongness or rightness of the governmental cause that put them there. I hope the distinction is clear. It's not about the politics for me, it's about the service men and women. Sorry if that disrupts someone's ideology about right and wrong.

Was there some part of this that was not clear. Or is your point that Americans are no different than those other countries? And what has Rome to do with it. The longest surviving democracy? It was not a socilist government, it was a benevolent republic at times, an absolute dictatorship at others..America has never been the latter.

In terms of this discussion, we were discussing the rightness or wrongness of Manning and Assande, not the political focus of the countries involved. I am confused.


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