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Who would have thought the GOP had any conservatives left?

Ron Paul 2008 !!!

The only Candidate that I am aware of, who is neither a Socialist nor Orweillian. Most of the Candidates are both.
Go Ron Paul!

YGBSM! Ron Paul? He's the Republican's answer to Dennis Kucinich. I think that during one of the last major polls, he netted a whopping 0% support.

Nice try...

Wow you seem awfully jaded against him.

Care to elaborate on some reasons?

Regardless of whether or not some elements like him, he's far and away the most likely to get my vote. (yes, im a registered Republican, always have been.)

He voted in the House:
Against the Iraq war (knowing Bush was lying, not caving to the propoganda hype)
Against the so called "Patriot Act"
Voted against Tax hikes.

Someone who is actually sane, and has some principles and courage is so refreshing to see running for our nations highest office. The GOP desperatly needs to get back to its Conservative roots, and Ron Paul is a man who can help do it.

Funny, Pat Buchanan is sticking up for Ron Paul.

Pat Buchanan writes an OP ED about Guilliani and Ron Paul

BTW Wild, in case you havent been paying to much attention lately:

Iraq was indeed based on lies. I said it years ago (on this forum even!) and unfortunatly, I was right. Not one pre-war justification has held up. No WMD, no AL-Quaeda in Iraq (pre war), nothing, nadda. The Al-Queda thing was cooked up 100% by Doug Feith at odds with the CIA assessments.

You do know that congress had all the same intel reports that bush had. Both dem and rep had access to it and they still voted for it.

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."

Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/
cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=H7777&dbname=2002_record

I am a newb with computers I havent figure out how to put in links so I will cut and paste

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

Former President Clinton
During an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live"
July 22, 2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/23/clinton.iraq.sotu

It appears that with the deadline for exile come and gone, Saddam Hussein has chosen to make military force the ultimate weapons inspections enforcement mechanism. If so, the only exit strategy is victory, this is our common mission and the world's cause."

Senator John Kerry (Democrat, Massachusetts)
Statement on commencement of military strikes against Iraq
March 20, 2003
http://kerry.senate.gov/high/record.cfm?id=191582

Senator John Edwards, when asked about "Axis of Evil" countries Iran, Iraq, and North Korea:

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."

Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina)
During an interview on CNN's "Late Edition"
February 24, 2002
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/24/le.00.html
In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

Congressman Gephardt links Saddam with the threat of terrorists nuking US cities:

BOB SCHIEFFER, Chief Washington Correspondent:

And with us now is the Democratic presidential candidate Dick Gephardt. Congressman, you supported taking military action in Iraq. Do you think now it was the right thing to do?

REP. RICHARD GEPHARDT, D-MO, Democratic Presidential Candidate:

I do. I base my determination on what I heard from the CIA. I went out there a couple of times and talked to everybody, including George Tenet. I talked to people in the Clinton administration.

SCHIEFFER:

Well, let me just ask you, do you feel, Congressman, that you were misled?

GEPHARDT:

I don't. I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening. And it was on that basis that I voted to do this.

Congressman Richard Gephardt (Democrat, Montana)
Interviewed on CBS News "Face the Nation"
November 2, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/03/ftn/printable581509.shtml

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators."

Madeleine Albright, President Clinton's Secretary of State
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/18/town.meeting.folo/

The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed.

13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes."

Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003
http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocusnewsiraq.asp?NewsID=354&sID=6
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/sprj.irq.transcript.blix

I can go on and on and on with this shit. Bush must be the smartest motherfucker in the world to influence all these people some even before he was President.

To bad alot of it is way out of context, or, propogated by self-serving politicians who were bowing to the wave of current public opion- which at the time was heavily influenced by post-911 PftNAC propoganda machine.

At the time many of those politicians were spewing some of that crap, the Dixie chicks of all people were being assailed as un-american, and going against the grain was considered by most a sure-fire career death sentance. The pre-Bush statements were used as justification for continuing embargoes, which suited the then-President just fine and are unrelated to the calls for war.

It is that very fact combined with the obvious media puppeteering that made the reg flags go up in the first place for me.

You say you can go on? If youd like I start picking apart each reference one by one, but since I wouldnt be quoting any sites with pre-canned servings of rebuttal I'll see how you respond before investing the time and effort, because frankly, I am reasonably sure you realize I am 100% correct without me having to do so.

You won't bait me into the Iraq War debate Derid! That horse is about as dead as can be. You will continue to believe your side, and I will believe mine; we might as well be debating Creationism. (The facts, or lack thereof, are equally debatable on both sides at this time, so let us return to Mr. Paul.)

I'll definitely read up more on Paul, but so far I'm not seeing any Republican candidates, who actually have a chance in hell, that I would vote for.

Apart from that I'm just looking forward to playing Eve again, where I can imagine that I'm pod'ing liberals and fundamentalists.