The KGB Oracle Forums General Public Discussion (PUBLIC) The Pub OMG.... a real Conservative from the GOP 4 prez!

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If anyone is serriously considering Hillary as a viable option for president, I suggest you do a search on a Florida attourney named Jack Thompson, Hillary is backing his 'holy war'. He is dead set in his mind that ALL video games are evil and train those who use them to become merciless killers. I'm all for a female president, I just don't want anything to do with any caddidate male or female that wants to target my video games.

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Also, while yes we should focus more on American problems, the UN should have done what we did in Iraq years ago. It's sad that the US is the only country that stood up and actualy had the balls to say 'enough is enough, this villian has to be brought to justice.'

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We should support our troops and be proud that they are there fighting for what we beleive in. They are there, because they are in the millitary.

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It's a life they chose to go into. I think it's horrible how civilian people want to do the same thing now they did in Vietnam and not support our troops.

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Every time someone says we need to leave Iraq, we're insulting our millitary personal who are risking their lives to try and bring some stability to a land that's been chaotic far too long. Not to mention if we were to just up and leave now, the new Iraq government would prolly collapse with out our help and the neighboring countries would carve it up for themselves.

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BTW Zone - Hillary eats from the exact same trough as Bush does, basically all the evil bastages of our society (Axciom, Seisint, etc) give plenty of money and favors to both. The only real difference between them, is Hillary adds more socialism to the statist mentality but is currently vocally supporting different foreign policy objectives. If anything Hillary is even scarier than GWBush.

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If anyone is serriously considering Hillary as a viable option for president, I suggest you do a search on a Florida attourney named Jack Thompson, Hillary is backing his 'holy war'. He is dead set in his mind that ALL video games are evil and train those who use them to become merciless killers. I'm all for a female president, I just don't want anything to do with any caddidate male or female that wants to target my video games.

Also, while yes we should focus more on American problems, the UN should have done what we did in Iraq years ago. It's sad that the US is the only country that stood up and actualy had the balls to say 'enough is enough, this villian has to be brought to justice.' We should support our troops and be proud that they are there fighting for what we beleive in. They are there, because they are in the millitary. It's a life they chose to go into. I think it's horrible how civilian people want to do the same thing now they did in Vietnam and not support our troops. Every time someone says we need to leave Iraq, we're insulting our millitary personal who are risking their lives to try and bring some stability to a land that's been chaotic far too long. Not to mention if we were to just up and leave now, the new Iraq government would prolly collapse with out our help and the neighboring countries would carve it up for themselves.

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Iraqis found dead every week may beg to differ with you, despite the fact that not many of them liked Saddam.

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It's a life they chose to go into. I think it's horrible how civilian people want to do the same thing now they did in Vietnam and not support our troops.

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I've never seen even a small inkling of this from any quarter. If this sentiment does in fact exist, please point me in its direction, as some people are in dire need of being torn down publically and made to look like idiots. There is a huge difference between disagreeing with the politicians who make the calls regarding a war, any war, and supporting or not supporting those who actually have to go fight it.

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Who is the "we" in the "fighting for what we beleive in"? Personally I think supporting the troops often means bringing them home safe as soon as possible. Alot are overdeployed, tired and would surely like to see their families. I'm not to sure theyd appreciate random people speaking for them talking about things like pride.

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You don't think that sentament exsists? Look at the news/media and ask any Vietnam vet if that looks even vaugly familiar to them. (watch yourself cause you might get an ass whooping from them for asking such a stupid question) I've spoken to a few friends and relatives who went to Vietnam, and they all are quite pissed that the civilans and media are clamoring about how we should 'pull out of a war that's not ours' just like when they were in Vietnam. These Vet's all seem to think that these things are makeing things worse for the soldiers there. Soldiers are trained to do their job and do it to completion. While they might not want to be over there, I'm sure they'd rather compleat their objectives and come home as victors, heros and saviors of the Iraqi people, then having to put their tails between their legs and give up to a much smaller group of poorly trained terrorists. And that which oddly enough my cousin, (who's on 3rd deployment in Iraq) and alot of those serving with my cousin, seem to have a very strong agreement with.

I'd had hope that it would be obvious that the 'we' would stand for the American peoples as "WE" seem to enjoy democracy where "WE" can argue about politics and wars and say things like 'our president is an asshole(evil)' with out worrying about nerve gas or black opps dragging us out of our houses in the middle of the night. Or have the right to worship any god(s) or no gods as we please compaired to the Shi'ites in Iraq when Saddam was in charge.

Bringing them home safe as soon as possible would be a great thing, especialy if the Democrats, who keep putting up bills they KNOW the president is going to VETO just to 'make a point', would pull their heads out of their asses and actualy fully fund our troops to do their job and do it with proper resources. But hey, it's not like any of their kids are in Iraq, so it's prolly not a big deal having to piss around another month or so till the next war funding bill is drafted and put up to vote....

And yes, alot of our troops are overdeployed, tired, missing their families, and going through hell. It's too bad the US is the main factor in something the world as a whole should be trying to aid.

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I'm not to sure theyd appreciate random people speaking for them talking about things like pride.

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Untill they can come home, someone needs to speak out for them... I'd rather be proud that our troops are doing something noble then pissed about it.

I think being proud in what they are doing is going to make them feel a hell of alot better about themselves, then saying things like, "it's a stupid pointless war, that we shouldn't be a part of". If they think I'm an ass for thinking like this, I'll appologize to each and every one of them I come across.

Untill they can come home, I will them and our

Troops, kick some ass!

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one western nation no matter how rich cannot successly nation-build one arab country, no matter how hard it tries.

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If anyone is serriously considering Hillary as a viable option for president, I suggest you do a search on a Florida attourney named Jack Thompson, Hillary is backing his 'holy war'. He is dead set in his mind that ALL video games are evil and train those who use them to become merciless killers. I'm all for a female president, I just don't want anything to do with any caddidate male or female that wants to target my video games.

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Eh, so its up to you then to raise the self-esteem of the troops or something? Gimme a break man. Some might want to stay over there for whatever reason, but thats not all of them by a long shot. Noone said they werent or shouldnt be proud of their service and work, but letting pride keep you in a place where your buddies are getting blown up solely for prides sake is foolhardy.

Your post and overall tone is a very emotional one, which though understandable strikes at the heart of why we cant as a nation elect good leadership. We need to think more logically about things.

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First off, the UN. Do you REALLY want to see the UN as a sovereign body? Seriously. Do you really want the Euros and Russians and Chinese telling you what to do? World Govt is a bad bad idea.

The reality is there are no superheros, there are no world police, the people who should have done something about Saddam was the Iraqis themselves.

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Your emotional appear to create the US and UN as worldwide liberators from all "tyrrany" is an interesting one, but one western nation no matter how rich cannot successly nation-build one arab country, no matter how hard it tries. They are Arabs, not Europeans. They have different cultures and traditions and ways of thinking and more. Frankly given the results and expenditure , of this and other previous foreign intervention adventures, I would think that people would realize that we should be looking after ourselves, not the rest of the world.

Our own traditions of having a free republic are under enough threat here at home for one thing. We cannot (or will not, as a practical matter) force the cultures of others to change through violence, and most cultures arent capable of sustaining a western style democratic nation anyhow.

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But anyhow, if you want to "free" the whole world by force of arms, feel free. Go pick up a rifle and join whatever revolutionaries are fighting against the tyran of that particular country, and I will in all honesty and enthusiasm wish you well. Just dont try and say its the national duty of all of us, and claim rightousness supports taking the tax dollars and family members of the rest of us forcibly away to achieve that objective.

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