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You can pry Win7 out of my cold dead hands!

I don't trust "free" anything. Somehow it will be a trap.

I tried the tech demo, it's solid.

What might they do to fuck us over in the release? IDK. Can't blame anyone for not upgrading, but they'll force you once games using DX12 become standard.

There are a couple funky things being reported, (so far), but overall they are minor and only really hit those utilizing the "Home" editions.

Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10

Vista, 7, 8, and 10 are all built on the same architecture. Each iteration is intended to be more lightweight and faster than the previous versions. MS desperately wants to avoid the XP problem going forward so they are working to make each new version worth upgrading to. Making them free to existing users is one way to push adoption forward.

Considering the organization I support has thousands of installed seats, we are not going forward with a Win10 rollout anytime soon. Getting everyone off of XP took long enough. The decision of when to move forward is above me though.

On a personal level, I have tried it and find it works well enough. I will probably upgrade to it on my desktops but not my laptops.

Im in. I'll take the suffering.

it looks too much like a phone app, I dislike that functionality in a gaming pc

I use "start is back" in windows 8. Check it out.

Windows 10 monetization started rolling in.

I guess next they will start selling 'epic' cards for the solitaire.

I have said over and over to my friends. Go ahead and upgrade. Tell me how you like it when you have to have a Premium yearly subscription in order to get critical security updates for the rest of the existence of that OS.

Direct X will not force Win10. Compatability modes will follow very shortly after. MS can't afford to loose developers using Direct X as an engine as it will facilitate the natural migration away from that platform.

Lucky for us there are third-party applications for pretty much all of the paid or missing features in Windows 10. As a base operating system I like it so far. I do wish Microsoft would stop creating simplified menus and configuration areas inside the operating system as it creates a tech support nightmare for me but what can you do.

If anyone does install Windows 10 and can't stand the start menu, use StartIsBack (http://startisback.com/) or Classic Shell (http://www.classicshell.net/) as free alternatives. Start10 (https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/) by Stardock tends to be more exact in its replication of the original Windows 7 start menu, but costs $4.99.

There are ways to restore the Windows 7 and XP style Microsoft games to the newer operating systems as well. If anyone needs them, feel free to PM or e-mail me and I'll be happy to show you how.

All in all though, I'd say the Windows 10 upgrade has been decently smooth. I haven't been getting the support calls I was expecting so there's that. :)

My question is should I convert over...I really like my current Win7 ultimate 64bit, I don't want that App-like operating system,.

You have a year to do so for free. So unless there is a specific feature or the promise of slightly better game performance has you wanting to upgrade, you can hold off with no issue at all right now.

That said, simply installing a start menu modification makes the operating system 10x more useable and eliminates most of the problems that people are going to have with it, just as it did with Windows 8.

The most important thing is looking up drivers for your computer model and verifying that Windows 10 versions are available to support your hardware. Most PCs and laptops will upgrade just fine without problems. You may need to perform some upgrades or re-installation of various applications that were on your PC prior to the Windows 10 upgrade, but that's generally it.

If all goes as planned, you have the ability to downgrade back to Windows 7 for one month after you have performed the upgrade to 10. I have not tested this function myself, but it is there.

If you know how to install drivers and can handle an operating system well enough, you shouldn't have any real trouble getting 10 working nicely.

My biggest issue with the OS are the simplified menus that they include by default such as the display/resolution menu and personalization menus which are slightly different than in Windows 7. You can still locate the "advanced" versions in Control Panel, however. These menus aren't that big of an issue for most anyway as you won't spend most of your time in them. Use them once and you are generally done. The rest of your software should essentially function exactly like it does in Win 7.

This is why /cmd is still KING!

Some of us users pre-date the mouse and interwebs.

Yes, Vuldan...we know, and Dirt in your case.

That doesn't even seem to address the "we are going to collect every single shred of data you have or receive on your computer" part of the EULA.

The moment you connect to the Internet and use any of its features you should expect that everything you do is monitored, recorded and stored for various uses. Social networking leads to information being sold and used for marketing purposes to determine current trends and surveil people across the world.

The EULA you sign when using Windows 10 generally states that you are okay with them recording your preferences when using things like Cortana and other personalized services when using a Microsoft account. I would hope that this information would not be used for other illicit purposes but, if you are worried about that, simply don't sign in with a Microsoft account. Create and use only a local account on your PC and you've reduced a lot of your exposure.

Edit: In all honesty, I don't use ANY of the "apps" or new Microsoft "features" that they've included with Windows 10. To me Windows is simply the base operating system I need to run the rest of my software and nothing more. I generally prefer third-party applications for pretty much everything I want to do anyway. If you use it in a similar fashion, then Windows 10 will simply be a more stable and fast platform to do what you need to do. That's been my experience with it thus far. Who knows what it will be 6 months to a year from now.

Oh, I'm well aware, and do everything I can to mitigate that risk, but I've been looking for why MS decided that we didn't have to pay for upgrades after 20 years of forcing us to. The data mining answers that question pretty neatly.

Microsoft is actively trying to monetize their operating system features and functions just like games are starting to move toward freemium, DLC and paid updates. It's frustrating as hell, but I don't see them moving away from it any time soon as they are pretty much going full speed ahead with this new system.

The best thing you can do is to be proactive about maintaining as much knowledge about the programs and software you use including the operating system and hoping for the best. At the end of the day, all we know is what we've been told and learned for ourselves. They could be doing who knows what with our information. I like to think that they aren't that evil yet.

Queue the Penguin theme music...

This.

That article is extremely misleading. Please view the Windows 10 Privacy Statement and judge for yourself what the implications are. A lot of third-party sites and journalists are posting misinformation in regard to the privacy concerns people have because it serves to get people riled up and brings in more viewers.

Most of the information being monitored is submitted for internal use to improve Microsoft products and the user "experience" if you are using Outlook.com e-mail or any other Microsoft service. It does not mean that everything you do on every program or application that you install will be monitored and recorded and sent to Microsoft.

As I stated previously, if privacy is a concern do not use a Microsoft Account when signing into your PC. Use a local account only. Do not use additional Microsoft services such as OneDrive, Cortana or Windows 10 "apps". Install and use desktop software as you normally would such as Google Chrome or Firefox browser instead of the "app" versions that require sign in and you will eliminate the issue almost entirely.

Edit: You may also find the Microsoft Princples, Policies and Practices FAQ pertinent.

Win10 was caught dialing home nightly even when opted out of all possible services/reasons.

For anyone valuing privacy, don't go with Win10.

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows...rivacy-settings


Good article on you and your Windows 10 privacy

Also don't use any Google products or Apple products.

https://www.petri.com/windows-10s-latest-unfounded-privacy-fear-games

Another read for the anti 10 people.