The KGB Oracle Forums General Public Discussion (SPECIAL ACCESS) KGB Political Debate Central Dont Mock the Free Phone lady - from DP

Where the fuck does it say a phone is needed for basic surivial? How the hell did a cave man surivive with out a phone? Hell the way your talking Sinij life did not start till phones were invented. You did not get to decide that a phone is a basic need of life. How ever I chanllge you to go a week with out a phone, then go a week with out any food.

So every job in the US should come with a retirement plan, a place to rent with room for your grandparents next to an emergency room that give free health care that nobody needs to pay for.
How do YOU propose to pay for all the benifits.
I assume you want everyone to make the same amount of money lets say 50 bucks an hour. So the guy who sweeps the floor should make the same as the guy who starts the broom factory.
Your ideas of how you want the world to work would be a complete failure.

If providing food and shelter for yourself and your family isn't your number one priority then you have bigger problems than a government handout. Who gets to decide what constitutes a dignified life? You can most certainly obtain all of life basic necessities on a minimum wage job, or two. I've done it, so you don't get to sit in your ivory tower and tell me what can and cannot be done in your estimation.

I have very close ties to the migrant workers in this country and, while some do rotate in seasonally (mostly out west), many stay here year round working in chicken plants, hotels, agriculture, lawn care, sanitation, construction, etc. where the businesses often provide ESL classes for the workers and Spanish classes for the managers. Oh, and those that stay here year round, don't live on minimum wage. They live on MUCH less because they send over half of their earnings home.

Most of these jobs are unpleasant but you can earn enough to live. Obviously you've never held more than one job at a time or you'd realize that it is possible to work multiple jobs, educate yourself, and move up or move out of a crappy job. If you have experienced this then your racism is showing (to use your logic) in your belief that others are incapable of the same effort.

We have all seen what Daye describes and it is gut wrenching.

In my experience, business owners and hiring managers prefer immigrant labor to unskilled domestic labor, because the immigrants work harder and are more reliable.

Also, especially in hard agriculture - often the immigrants make well above minimum wage. At many produce and tobacco fields people are compensated by the amount and quality of what you pick for example. Its obviously seasonal, but while many domestic workers do not even complete the harvest - industrious immigrants can make 30-40 bucks an hour. And they will do it from first to last light. And they totally bust their asses.

You dont see that very often from domestic workers. Ironically, because most american born people who bust their asses that hard have long since been able to move on to more comfortable employment.

In my experience, immigrant labor is actually not favored because its cheaper. But because its more reliable. Obviously this various considerably by situation, occupation, etc

Of course in a down economy, people complain that immigrants are taking up the jobs. Which... is partially true. Going by macro scale averages, your unskilled immigrant labor provides far more value per dollar spent.

It must be 48% of America is on some sort of Government assistance. And people wonder why we have gotten fat and lazy!

Agreed !

Should allow you to make a living with your honest work. Isn't this what GOP is all about?

This is fairly simple - pyramid of basic needs is well defined. Shelter, food, clothing, healthy living. Without these basic needs democracy cannot exist.

I clearly wasn't talking about the phone.

you did not elude to that, all you did was tell katoci that he doesnt get to choose what other people get for basic nessactiys. Also this is on a thread talking about a woman and a phone, so yes, it is infered.

So are you going to go a week with out a phone and then a week with out food?

Do you deny that Obama was voted in with white voters?

Do you deny you use the race card as a way to derail a topic due to not being to support your poisition?