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It only affects those conservatives that call themselves Republicans. Let it sink, let something else take its place, or let the whole 2 party system collapse.

So here's a question for you Sini. If the Republican party were to collapse, and no major entity took its place, thereby leaving conservatives, by your own admission, with no representation in the national political sphere, would that bother you?

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Originally Posted By: Brutal
If the Republican party were to collapse, and no major entity took its place, thereby leaving conservatives, by your own admission, with no representation in the national political sphere, would that bother you?


Yes, because adversity is a necessary element of any democratic political system. In the very unlikely event that GOP collapses entirely and we end up with Democratic and Very Democratic party, you will probably meet me at the convention.


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So rather than pull for the dissolution of the party system, you would prefer to see something else rise to take the place of the GOP?

So here's the thing. For adversity to be necessary, it means that compromise is the goal. I mean, if you didn't believe that the 'other side' was right on some things, what good does adversity do; all it's doing is standing in the way of progress. So if that's the case, that means that you must believe that conservatives are right about something, though I admit I haven't found out what that something is yet. If you truly believe that compromise is the correct path forward, tell me what issues you are willing to compromise on. Tell me which political points conservatives have that you find to be true, or at least worthy of consideration to be melded with your own.

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I would love to see 2-party system changed, but I assumed we are still constrained by practicality.


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So if that's the case, that means that you must believe that conservatives are right about something, though I admit I haven't found out what that something is yet.


For example, I really agree with conservatives that the long-term financial situation (~20 years out) and long-term deficits are problems that we have to address.


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Originally Posted By: sini
For example, I really agree with conservatives that the long-term financial situation (~20 years out) and long-term deficits are problems that we have to address.

How magnanimous of you to agree with 95% of the country that we have financial problems. I believe Brutal is interested in which policies that address our problems you agree with or are willing to compromise on.


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The war rages on, latest casualty - Chris Christie getting no support from conservatives in the face of deserved criticism for "bridge-gate". This is payback for not 100% towing party line and bipartisan efforts.

This is very unlike GOP of today that recently rallied behind a number of equally undeserving politicians, Ted Cruz being one notable example.


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Your "payback" line is not entirely accurate, more like you trying to justify your own view of GOP pols using broad strokes.

Ted Cruz also was not blatantly and openly corrupt in how his office handled matters, so its really not an apples to apples comparison either. (not denying Cruz might have corrupt office being shady in a closed manner)

Anyhow, zzzzzzzzz


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Ted Cruz also was not blatantly and openly corrupt in how his office handled matters


Really? So scheduling "filibuster" does not qualify?


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