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Originally Posted By: RedKGB
If Obama made a bad descion based on bad intel, then so be it. But dont say one thing while doing anthoer. If after a congressinol investiagtion it comes back that everything was tried at the time so be it. If it comes back that due to budget constraints that they did not get extra secuirty then so be it. But if we are willing to waste millions of dollars on wither or not some one took steriods, then by the holy spaggti monster they can go over this and release the information.

We are not talking about Bush, we are talking about Obama. Dont forget dems voted for that war also. looking at the same intel that bush did. was bush played? possiblely, did bush back his SOD when he should have kicked him to the curb, yep.

I am also not calling for crimnal charges or that other horse shit, but an investgation is needed. IT will take months, and we will not find out till way after the election, but it does need to be started in ernest.


This is the part I don't understand. I don't see the malicious intent here that has been assumed.

It is clear that Bush and his administration perpetuated lies to meet their anti-Iraq agenda. When presented with information that was inaccurately presented as facts, many people made bad decisions. I hold the Bush administration completely responsible and yet none of you do and some of you defended this action.

When the first black democratic President loses someone on his watch, you are all quick to pounce and bring accusations of malicious intent. I for one do not feel that our President would do anything intentionally to lose an American life. His wife and him have done more than most for veterans and their families. Most important to me is the end of the injustice of the Iraq war and the coming end to America's longest war in Afghanistan.


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I am not saying there was malicious intent, but when an embassy is raided and people die, then it is a matter and grounds for a congressinal investagtion.

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I agree there, and I believe there certainly will be.

In this thread Wolf said, "They also signed up thinking they would have a leader that wouldn't hang them out to dry. A leader that would give them every chance to succeed in their duty" and I am asking where was that same concern when 4,486 U.S. soldiers were asked to give their lives.


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Then how come you can see the logic in it, but yet sini responds in snide insulting remarks? I give back to him what he dishes outs.

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Well I think this forum in general is a great lesson in debating tactics. Stay on the high road and you can't lose. Losing ones temper is a sure sign that you have lose your balance.

“Anybody can become angry — that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way — that is not within everybody's power and is not easy.”
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Since I dont edit my post, here is a double post.

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Originally Posted By: JetStar
It is hard for me to fathom how you right wingers can single out this gentleman and patriot when at the same time you all ignore the total of 4,486 U.S. soldiers that were killed in Iraq.

George Bush was not impeached, tried as a criminal or any of what you are calling for when over 4000 times the lives were lost and lied about over and over.

You people amaze me.


Then Obama is as guilty for lying. His administration was trying to sell this whole event as a spur of the moment protest, when it obviously wasn't. It's OK... if you want to call one guy a liar and not the other then that is one of the reasons our country is so split. You're trying to justify one man's decision because someone else didn't get it right. Isn't that what they do in kindergarten?

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I am saying that there is no clearly defined malicious intent here on the subject you bring up, but there is absolutely with the 4000+ from Iraq that noone seems to care about.

It is just blatant partisanship in my opinion.


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If you see Bush as sitting at his desk covered with money, cringling his hands and laughing like a manic, then yes it is malicious.

If you see Bush sitting at his desk covered with intel reports from our country and other countries saying that they still had WMD's, then no it is not malicious intent.

It comes down to how you view Bush.

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