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Posted By: Sini Locking up 2020 - 11/13/18 02:10 AM

Former Clinton adviser says Hillary will run in 2020

Twice as serious as horsemeat crisis.
Posted By: Derid Re: Locking up 2020 - 11/14/18 04:33 AM
I find it almost beyond belief. While Warren might not be bad, and I supported Bernie (and would again).... I really worry that the Dems cannot find a sane, decent, reasonably likeable (for a pol) person under 70 to run for POTUS. Especially one that actually won their race. (Beto O'Rourke I'm looking at you)

I'm disgusted enough with Trump that I'd support almost anyone the Dems can cough up. Almost. Still not sure I'd support Hillary. Having an immediate family member having held the office is still a red line disqualifier for me.
Posted By: Brutal Re: Locking up 2020 - 11/14/18 02:57 PM
I'd be willing to be Beto could win on the national stage. Hell, he nearly pulled out the upset of the century here in TEXAS, and had tons of out of state support. I'd vote for him (again).
Posted By: Sini Re: Locking up 2020 - 11/15/18 12:02 AM
Originally Posted by Derid
Having an immediate family member having held the office is still a red line disqualifier for me.


I never knew you opposed Bush administration so much.
Posted By: Derid Re: Locking up 2020 - 11/16/18 04:07 AM
Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Derid
Having an immediate family member having held the office is still a red line disqualifier for me.


I never knew you opposed Bush administration so much.


Really?

I never supported W Bush. The fact that I ended up not liking Obama either is at least largely influenced by the fact that Obama was W Obama Bush in too many regards. Though to be honest, I doubt I'll ever like anyone who becomes Prez that much.

Though there are differences. Hillary getting the Dem nod for '16 made me miss Obama, and Trump getting GOP nod and becoming Prez made me sorely miss Mitt. If Mitt got elected, I'm sure I'd be complaining about some of the things he was doing. But at least I probably wouldn't be stomach turning repulsed.


Originally Posted by Brutal
I'd be willing to be Beto could win on the national stage. Hell, he nearly pulled out the upset of the century here in TEXAS, and had tons of out of state support. I'd vote for him (again).


Well, I'd vote for him against Trump. My worries with Beto, other than not winning his race, is partly how he'd play in Midwest and possibly some other areas. Also, that drunk driving things - not that I hold it against him, but Trump might be able to use it to good effect. (He couldn't even win his own state for Senate, no one wants a lying drunk driver!) Never mind that episode probably had nothing to do with him losing in Texas, its the type of thing Team Trump is good at building a nonsense narrative out of. Then, the fact that he doesn't seem to be super quick thinking on his feet is also a downside. I wasn't impressed in his debates vs Cruz. Maybe he would improve that part of his game during Dem primary season, if he did my estimate of him would rise - but right now I worry about him facing a Trump gaslighting him with endless BS and him not being able to pivot with sharp or effective responses and losing his way in the river of media sludge.

If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to be so. I'd be happy for just about anyone but Hillary or Bloomberg to beat Trump tbh.
Posted By: Brutal Re: Locking up 2020 - 11/16/18 03:06 PM
Well if it's Hillary again in 2020, I'll have to fall back on my candidate from 2016.
Posted By: Derid Re: Locking up 2020 - 11/16/18 11:13 PM
I'll join that caucus.
Posted By: Sini Re: Locking up 2020 - 11/18/18 12:58 PM
The issue with Hillary as a candidate is that she is weaker now than last time around and Trump is stronger than last time around. Hillary vs. Trump 2020 is all but certain will result in two-term presidency for Trump.

Are democrats, even entrenched machine operators, that blind to not realize this near-certainty?
Posted By: Derid Re: Locking up 2020 - 11/19/18 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by Sini
The issue with Hillary as a candidate is that she is weaker now than last time around and Trump is stronger than last time around. Hillary vs. Trump 2020 is all but certain will result in two-term presidency for Trump.

Are democrats, even entrenched machine operators, that blind to not realize this near-certainty?


Remember how convinced the GOP was that beating Obama in 2012 was a sure thing?

Not to mention, almost everyone Dem leaning that I have talked to is certain - CONVINCED! - that it is now impossible for everyone else not to see Trump like they do. 2020 will be a cakewalk! (or so many think)
Posted By: Sini Re: Locking up 2020 - 01/26/19 09:47 PM
A Bruised Trump Faces Uncertain 2020 Prospects. His Team Fears a Primary Fight.

I wonder if Trump is going to get a primary challenger. His primary methods are unlikely to work like they did in 2016.
Posted By: Sini Re: Locking up 2020 - 02/04/19 02:02 PM
The art of snapping defeat from the jaws of victory.
Posted By: Derid Re: Locking up 2020 - 02/05/19 12:57 PM
Indeed. I've been hanging out in a twitch political channel and discord lately, that tends to lean pretty far left. Ok, really far left. The discourse I see there, and the social media they often reference indicates that.. yeah, snapping defeat from jaws of victory could easily be a *thing* if the voices I hear there happen to be representative of a large bloc of the party. Anecdotal evidence I see on a regular basis, such as the Politico article thus referenced, indicates that may be the case.

I hope it isn't. At this point, I'd just like to get a flawed president that doesn't do anything terribly stupid and appoints a reasonably competent cabinet. Some days it feels like too much to ask for.
Posted By: Sini Re: Locking up 2020 - 04/20/19 12:52 PM
Biden is running .
Posted By: Derid Re: Locking up 2020 - 04/21/19 09:15 AM
Had been expecting that. We'll see how it goes, I guess. He should suck all the air out of Harris at least, which is probably good as the idea of a Californian winning over enough heartland to beat Trump seemed iffy to me. I'm a bit shaky on Bernie this time as well, though I think he could have won 2016, each race is different. I'm disappointed that Warren's campaign thus far seems to lack any dynamism, as she has by far the most robust policy platform. Of course, people often don't get elected that way, which is a pity because Warren has at least demonstrated a solid grasp of understanding complex issues.
Posted By: Sini Re: Locking up 2020 - 05/19/19 11:35 AM
Is it wishful thinking that return to normality in politics might happen?
Posted By: Sini Re: Locking up 2020 - 06/20/19 10:39 PM
Originally Posted by Sini


More of this. I can't imagine more sure-thing way to drive white vote away than to talk about repatriations. Are they actually working on getting Trump elected?!
Posted By: Sini Re: Locking up 2020 - 06/30/19 01:35 AM
I watched some of Dem's primary debates... it was a collective political suicide pact. Even Biden jumped off the bridge.

This looks better and better for Trump.
Posted By: Goriom Re: Locking up 2020 - 07/12/19 03:20 PM
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