http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...too-far/403477/

Kinda funny, I used to argue the exact same point back in Uni.

Lets hope eventual and inevitable blowback won't go all the way to lynchings in the South. This was especially good point:
"But isn’t it more naive to imagine that masses of white people will identify more strongly with their racial tribe and then sacrifice the interests of that tribe?"

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One of the links in the article is specially cringe-worthy:
http://amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html
"35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race."



Also Derid, check your non-idiot privilege and don't post this wrongthink here.

Move along. Nothing to see here. There's certainly no way that Derid's point, combined with this sort of rhetoric will have any negative repercussions from folks who act before they think.


This guy has a blog and radio show supporting #blacklivesmatter


These folks are actually being escorted by the evil police while chanting...

By the way, there was never any violence associated with all the "violent rhetoric" from the Tea Party. This rhetoric is arguably at the center of the recent rash of police murders/assassinations. Where's the outrage? Hell, for that matter, where is the reporting on any of this?

Maybe its because I'm just tired as all hell, but I am kind of lost. Please enlighten, because it feels like we are talking about completely different things.

You're pointing out that the race baiting/white shaming has gotten to all time ridiculous levels. What used to be considered the goal, everyone getting along without seeing color, has turned into racism and recognizing and celebrating any/all colors but white is the new goal.

Sini is claiming that you have no idea what you're talking about.

And I'm merely pointing out that we've gone all the way from Sini's reference to southern lynchings to the execution of police and whites, while the media remain completely silent, except to harp on "micro-aggressions". Because heaven forbid a generation of entitled children get their feelings hurt, and never mind people being killed.

Why are you speaking for me, especially when it is exactly opposite of what I stated so far in the thread?

If you are confused by "check your non-idiot privilege" phrase, let me deconstruct it for you. Derid is not an idiot, if I use *ism language, then being non-idiot is a bad thing, and one should be checked for it. Because we should be more empathetic toward idiots.

My point being, that a lot of "checking" is actually success-shaming or virtue-shaming.



Society could be cyclical. The magnitude of the eventual swing the other way will largely depend how overboard it goes at this point. When being "prosecuted" and "underprivileged" is thought after social status, you know we are close to the apex.

I'm not speaking for you. I'm attempting to answer Derid's question by explaining what I was thinking.

I completely misunderstood your post Sini. My bad. I think we may be having some language problems. If you're agreeing with him, why call it "wrongthink"?

edit* lulz for keeping browser window open then afking

As for "wrongthink" he was just being sarcastic and making fun of SJW terminology.

Historically, our society is very rich. We can devote energy to feeling bad about under-contributing members of the society. When large-scale disaster happens, this will go out of the window.

You can temporarily get ahead with the existing *ism approach of shaming to get excess capacity/wealth transferred, but once that excessive capacity is gone, this will stop. Nobody going to cut into basic needs to keep these transfers going. Meanwhile reinforced tribal behavior (e.g. 'my people', 'white privilege') is at all-time dangerous levels and everyone is acutely aware who is US and THEM.

White paranoia in US is already at ridiculous levels, when I lived in Texas living in a gated community with armed guards and patrol dogs was the norm above certain income. You bet it was 90% white, because that is who can afford to pay the fees. This was some years ago, I imagine it only got worse. You can tell people to publicly act in a certain way, but you put their kids, lives on the line, and you bet all of this 'displays of virtuous behavior' will go out of the window.

Imagine if Katrina-level event happens nationwide. Do you think that somehow non-white populations won't suffer disproportionate share of negative consequences? Do you think reinforcing tribal boundaries going to make it better or worse?

"Those" white people are tending to already see themselves as a different tribe, apart from the other white tribes.

That "Coming Apart" book we talked about a while back went into that pretty in depth.

Typical classism aside, an even bigger worry is poor and mid level socioeconomic white people getting tribal. This is what we are seeing with Trump. People tend to forget that there are far more poor white people than poor colored people. That colored people are poor in a higher ratio is of course talked about a lot.

As you say, when times get tough then its easy for tribalism to come out. Forget Katrina level disaster, economically speaking the past decade has been disastrous for 40% of white people and they are starting to get agitated and looking for scapegoats instead of solutions.

A bit off topic but....

I grew up in a pretty racist & poor town out in the middle of nowhere called Uncertain, Texas. It is squeezed in between a bomb making plant and a swamp. The town was a 60/40 blend of middle class white and poor black people. I could tell you so many stories about growing up in that town....

Oddly enough, my school was over 80% black and I was the only white male in my class for most of those years. It made for a lot of hilarious team photos in my family album. My lonely pasty white face amongst all my black school mates.

With that said, I have seen more than my fair share of white and black racism towards each other. What I learned at a very young age was that most of these people labeled as racist would give the shirt off their back to someone of another color in need when it really came down to it. I was always messed with for being the white boy in our class but I never felt actual hate from any of those black kids. It was a two way street and I generally harassed them just as much since years of this crap made me tougher than most of them.

It honestly seemed like more of a fun pass time for people than an actual problem that they had with whites or blacks. Just something to talk about in crowds of similar color since everyone had that in common. They would meet up at my uncles shop almost every other night and get drunk together while openly prodding each other with racial stereotypes. We are talking crowds of 15 or more people getting along just fine. His shop was across the street from the apartments where most of the blacks lived at the time and there was never a problem. This same behavior was true for local sports games and town events. They freely threw around racist language but when it came down to it they got along like old friends. I can honestly say I never once saw any of those people take it past words with each other regarding their race.

Sadly that was the 80s & 90s.....That isn't true anymore and I see some very vile things going on right now involving racial tensions. Older people now stay glued to mass media that divides them and further alienates them to the point of senseless violence towards the opposing race or profession. Young white and black folks angry about race can seek out endless mounds of material to reaffirm their hatred. This has resulted in a toxic atmosphere for race relations that is probably going to get way worse.

A lot of white and black folks alike are becoming equally scared of each other now due to everything going on in the news. We have a economic/police/crime/*insert everything else* problem that is all being reported in the framework of racial problems.

True equality doesn't exist on any level of the animal kingdom so why do we expect it with creatures as complex and emotional as humans? I suggest reading "The Quest for Cosmic Justice by Thomas Sowell" if you think differently. Also "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" is another good book of his.

As usual I blame the mass media machines that fill the heads of lesser minded people with bullshit and provoke them to the point of acting on their ignorance.

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