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Posted By: Derid Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/09/14 09:27 AM
http://buchanan.org/blog/impeachment-bridge-far-6570

Good piece by Pat Buchanan.
Posted By: Kaotic Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/09/14 05:49 PM
He makes good points, and I don't disagree but it sure is frustrating when faced with the utter lawlessness coming from D.C.

Something must be done about the IRS. I don't care who they targeted. This bullshit about the "drives were erased and recycled" is infuriating. No one with any idea of how computers work believes that line and yet, nothing is being done. The responsible parties skate and the person appointed to clean house thumbs his nose at Congress.

In my mind, there has been no greater proof that the two parties are one in the same. Both want the power to wield the IRS like a giant hammer. Consequently, neither of them is lifting a finger to do anything about the corruption.
Posted By: Sini Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/11/14 12:59 AM
IRS issue = foil ^ foil

What two of you should be concerned about is necons allying with Hillary. That is a disaster of national proportions.
Posted By: Derid Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/11/14 02:00 AM

Thats an extremely odd attitude to take towards the IRS issues. Everyone should be concerned about the blatant disregard for law or accountability on display. The primary concern, is that once powerful people realize that they are in fact truly above accountability their behavior tends to degenerate further even if the original behavior was not particularly dire.

As far as Neocons and Hillary, the alliance has always been there in many respects... forcing it out into the public spotlight might actually be a really good thing.
Posted By: Kaotic Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/11/14 10:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Sini
IRS issue = foil ^ foil

Please, continue to demonstrate to the world just how completely disconnected from reality you are.
Posted By: Sini Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/13/14 04:22 AM
The entire depth of IRS issue is that they lost some emails.

When compared to dark money sloshing around politics and revolving door in regulatory positions... IRS issue is like ticketing jaywalking at a street racer event.

In other words, smoke & mirrors to detract from important issues mixed with some red meat for "don't thread on me" nutters.

Now, tell me how you really feel about Bhengazi.
Posted By: Kaotic Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/13/14 04:58 AM
I am constantly amazed at how such an intelligent person can live blissfully in willful ignorance when the facts reflect poorly on those who espouse his political ideology.
Posted By: Sini Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/13/14 09:28 PM
I am progressive, in case you haven't checked, there isn't exactly anyone in power "who espouse his political ideology".

I am rolling my eyes at you mostly due to on-going "off the rocker" condition of your political movement.
Posted By: Derid Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/16/14 02:07 AM

Honestly if you really think that, either you have not really looked at the facts or your analysis skills are terrible.

If these things occurred during the Bush admin, and your pet lefty rags were screaming for blood you would be howling right along with them and you know it. Just because it "feels" fashionable to hand wave away Govt incompetence and abuses, does not mean it is the intelligent path.
Posted By: Sini Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/17/14 02:08 AM
Originally Posted By: Derid
Just because it "feels" fashionable to hand wave away Govt incompetence and abuses, does not mean it is the intelligent path.


No, what currently fashionable is blaming government for everything.

Erosion of privacy - big deal, government rightfully blamed.
Lost emails - fairly normal in any big organization.

I personally lost email archives and I work with technology. I don't expect glorified accountants with government-run IT department to do better. Remember, at the time it was viewed as regular correspondence, and not 'mission-critical' stuff it became as a result of the scandal.

Don't attribute to malice what could be adequately described by ignorance.
Posted By: Derid Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/17/14 01:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Sini
Originally Posted By: Derid
Just because it "feels" fashionable to hand wave away Govt incompetence and abuses, does not mean it is the intelligent path.


No, what currently fashionable is blaming government for everything.

Erosion of privacy - big deal, government rightfully blamed.
Lost emails - fairly normal in any big organization.

I personally lost email archives and I work with technology. I don't expect glorified accountants with government-run IT department to do better. Remember, at the time it was viewed as regular correspondence, and not 'mission-critical' stuff it became as a result of the scandal.

Don't attribute to malice what could be adequately described by ignorance.


There is a lot more to this story, its not just the emails. The emails are just the latest stumbling block in the investigation.

Its possible that having the supposedly only drives with Lerner and other IRS staffers suffering technical issues and being destroyed days after the GOP initiates an investigation is just innocent incompetence.

In any case, the "story" here for me - that burns me up, and that I think should be burning everyone up you included is this:

How is it reasonable that your average Joe is held to much higher accountability with regard to their own personal records, than agents of powerful Govt agencies are held to with their work records documenting their conduct? So regular individuals have dire consequences regarding their accountability, but powerful Govt officials have none?

This is a big deal. It does not matter whether you think Lerner and Co. were in on some big conspiracy. This situation needs fixed, and the IRS needs far more institutional accountability for their behavior or we will be seeing more, and larger abuses in the future.

I do not think it is unreasonable nor tinfoilhattery to firmly believe that Govt institutions charged with investigating private citizens be held to at least the same standards of record keeping and accountability as the private citizens and companies they investigate. That goes for all arms of Govt not just the IRS.
Posted By: Sini Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/18/14 12:22 AM
Originally Posted By: Derid
So regular individuals have dire consequences regarding their accountability, but powerful Govt officials have none?


How could this concept not also apply to corporate governance? Then why do you selectively fixate on this specific case?

The underlying issue here is ingroup vs. outgroup. Tea Party got targeted. Everything else is just a left brain interpreter.
Posted By: Derid Re: Impeachment a Bridge to Far - 07/18/14 06:25 AM
Originally Posted By: Sini
Originally Posted By: Derid
So regular individuals have dire consequences regarding their accountability, but powerful Govt officials have none?


How could this concept not also apply to corporate governance? Then why do you selectively fixate on this specific case?

The underlying issue here is ingroup vs. outgroup. Tea Party got targeted. Everything else is just a left brain interpreter.


Nah, I dont think in the same terms you do. You are apparently rationalizing my words against how you would view yourself if you were espousing similar sentiments.

You act as if this is the only case, ever, in which I have taken a philosophical stand against imbalances of public/private power and relative standards of accountability which is selective memory if I have ever seen it.
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