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Posted By: Wolfgang John Stewart - 05/14/13 08:22 PM
... Destroys the Obama admin! Oh and how about those phone records... LMAO this douche canoe we have in the white house is the disaster I thought we'd get.
Posted By: Sethan Re: John Stewart - 05/14/13 09:39 PM
This administration just got their pants pulled down in front of the whole room. What the hell were they thinking?

The sad part is you know that is just the tip of a very large iceberg you will probably never get to see.
Posted By: JetStar Re: John Stewart - 05/14/13 11:09 PM
Yeah cause Obama called them and told them to do this. Bah!

Even the Attorney General could not be involved because he was questioned on this subject.

The Captain is responsible for the ship, but to blame this on Obama, is just disingenuous.
Posted By: JetStar Re: John Stewart - 05/14/13 11:13 PM
Also did you see the lead in to that thing you just posted??

Maybe YOU should watch it.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-13-2013/bill-o-reilly-gets-mean
Posted By: Derid Re: John Stewart - 05/15/13 12:12 AM
Jet, you are right.. this did not come (directly) from Obama. It came from Velerie Jarret. She is Obama's Rove. Do the dirty work, punish the enemies, keep the peons in line and act as information gatekeeper etc. Obama just says "get it done, I dont care how" and the Roves, Jarrets, Scooter Libbby, etc of the world go out and move the actual chess pieces.

Holder has been caught out in numerous lies over the past few years, if you believe him when he says anything you are crazy. Holder is corrupt as shit.

But yea, Obama is the captain and its his responsibility. Of course, many of us have known much of this (sans AP stuff, assumed but not known) for a long time. It IS also just the tip of the Iceberg.

Obama runs an extremely partisan, corrupt, and malfeasant govt in many many ways. If this latest hoopla with the AP is enough to actually PROMPT THEM TO DO THEIR JOBS then this administration is done for. There are several other scandals waiting in the wings, this could just be getting started. Even if the AP cools off, the floodgates could be open and more whistle blowers who until now have been too intimidated to come forward might start popping up. And there are a LOT of those.

Never fear though, for the true believers - Obamas hands will always be clean. He surely did not know or approve of any bad behavior or incompetence. Just like Nixon knew nothing of Watergate, Reagan had nothing to do with Iran Contra, Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with Craig Livingstone pulling up the FBI files of opposing political operatives, Bush thought there were really WMDs , and Cheney loves and supports the Constitution.

Posted By: Wolfgang Re: John Stewart - 05/15/13 12:39 AM
To not blame Obama for this is disingenuous. He's the leader, the top dog. Sure he may not know everything that goes on at the time. But he damn sure isn't doing anything about it either. A real leader gets the information then makes a clear decision, Obama's decisions come down to blaming everyone else but what he or his administration is doing. That's like having one other person farting in the room and always saying... "It wasn't me" If Bush had done what Obama is doing, liberals all over the place would be losing their minds. Remember that time during the Bush administration had the IRS target liberal/progressive groups simply because they WERE liberal/progressives? How about the time Bush's administration secretly went and took phone records from the AP? Ohhhh right, they didn't... thanks for playing!
Posted By: Wolfgang Re: John Stewart - 05/15/13 12:48 AM
Originally Posted By: JetStar
Also did you see the lead in to that thing you just posted??

Maybe YOU should watch it.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-13-2013/bill-o-reilly-gets-mean


So talking about the IRS and the DOJ getting phone records secretly has what to do with Bill O and Benghazi? Because those are separate issues. Like the Obama admin you tried to blame something else that had nothing to do with it. I see where this is going. BUSH's fault.... amirite?
Posted By: Derid Re: John Stewart - 05/15/13 01:39 AM
Ofc its Bushes fault. If he hadnt been such a shitty Prez that so many people were unable to vote/trust GOP in the slightest even 4 years after he was gone... we wouldnt have ever gotten stuck with Obama, or at least would have been able to get rid of him in 2012.

On the semi bright side, Obama might be even worse for the Dems than Bush was for the GOP.
Posted By: Wolfgang Re: John Stewart - 05/15/13 01:52 AM
Originally Posted By: Derid
Ofc its Bushes fault. If he hadnt been such a shitty Prez that so many people were unable to vote/trust GOP in the slightest even 4 years after he was gone... we wouldnt have ever gotten stuck with Obama, or at least would have been able to get rid of him in 2012.

On the semi bright side, Obama might be even worse for the Dems than Bush was for the GOP.


I agree with both.
Posted By: Helemoto Re: John Stewart - 05/15/13 01:58 AM
Originally Posted By: JetStar
Yeah cause Obama called them and told them to do this. Bah!

Even the Attorney General could not be involved because he was questioned on this subject.

The Captain is responsible for the ship, but to blame this on Obama, is just disingenuous.


If it was any Republican President you would be calling for impeachment.
Posted By: Wolfgang Re: John Stewart - 05/15/13 10:45 PM
The Presidents speech was bad at best. This guy is a fucking horrible President, he makes Bush's Presidency look good. Also Jimmy Carter can breath easy that he won't go down in history as the worst President ever. Obama should have stayed a community organizer.
Posted By: JetStar Re: John Stewart - 05/16/13 06:52 AM
Originally Posted By: Helemoto
If it was any Republican President you would be calling for impeachment.


Wrong, I never called for Bush to be impeached even though he may have deserved it.
Posted By: JetStar Re: John Stewart - 05/16/13 06:54 AM
Originally Posted By: Derid
Jet, you are right.. this did not come (directly) from Obama. It came from Velerie Jarret. She is Obama's Rove. Do the dirty work, punish the enemies, keep the peons in line and act as information gatekeeper etc. Obama just says "get it done, I dont care how" and the Roves, Jarrets, Scooter Libbby, etc of the world go out and move the actual chess pieces.

Holder has been caught out in numerous lies over the past few years, if you believe him when he says anything you are crazy. Holder is corrupt as shit.

But yea, Obama is the captain and its his responsibility. Of course, many of us have known much of this (sans AP stuff, assumed but not known) for a long time. It IS also just the tip of the Iceberg.

Obama runs an extremely partisan, corrupt, and malfeasant govt in many many ways. If this latest hoopla with the AP is enough to actually PROMPT THEM TO DO THEIR JOBS then this administration is done for. There are several other scandals waiting in the wings, this could just be getting started. Even if the AP cools off, the floodgates could be open and more whistle blowers who until now have been too intimidated to come forward might start popping up. And there are a LOT of those.

Never fear though, for the true believers - Obamas hands will always be clean. He surely did not know or approve of any bad behavior or incompetence. Just like Nixon knew nothing of Watergate, Reagan had nothing to do with Iran Contra, Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with Craig Livingstone pulling up the FBI files of opposing political operatives, Bush thought there were really WMDs , and Cheney loves and supports the Constitution.



I agree with some of what you said. It is a dirty business.

Fox would have a field day if they ever find a link to Obama on any of this. If there is, it will come out. I would be money that there is not. Despite what you all think, Obama is not stupid.
Posted By: Derid Re: John Stewart - 05/16/13 03:33 PM

Heh I have never thought Obama is stupid. Also, it wont come out. That assumption is unfounded, modern competent political/govt operations are designed specifically so if things go pear-shaped the chain of accountability ends several steps from the top and "plausible deniability" is maintained.

Seriously, Obama claims he heard of all the major scandals involving his Administration on the news along with everyone else. He actually says that.

So, either he IS stupid, and incompetent, and is not briefed by his staff about major problems in various departments and just running clueless - or else he is maintaining a wall of separation and plausible deniability.

No links will ever be found, because his staff most likely is not silly enough to create a paper trail leading directly to him - and if there is, he will invoke executive privilege to make sure Congress never gets access to it. Which has already happened in previous scandals.
Posted By: Sini Re: John Stewart - 05/17/13 04:25 AM
Or it could be that you don't understand limitations of the president's office? Derid, if Obama wanted you personally assassinated, he probably couldn't. He can't get such trivial thing accomplished, yet you do not hesitate to assign blame for all kinds of far-fetched plots to him.
Posted By: Wolfgang Re: John Stewart - 05/17/13 09:41 AM
Originally Posted By: sini
Or it could be that you don't understand limitations of the president's office? Derid, if Obama wanted you personally assassinated, he probably couldn't. He can't get such trivial thing accomplished, yet you do not hesitate to assign blame for all kinds of far-fetched plots to him.


WRONG! Thank's to Obama signing the NDAA, all he has to do is claim someone is a terrorist and he can take you out this Includes American citizens. Now aren't you glad they want Drones to fly over US soil?
Posted By: Sini Re: John Stewart - 05/17/13 01:00 PM
foil

Wolfgang, I will make an unmanned drone that designed to take away your guns and gift it to Obama, just to see your freak-out factor double. Oh, and it will be powered by burning constitutions.
Posted By: Helemoto Re: John Stewart - 05/17/13 02:51 PM
Originally Posted By: JetStar
Originally Posted By: Helemoto
If it was any Republican President you would be calling for impeachment.


Wrong, I never called for Bush to be impeached even though he may have deserved it.


I never said anything about Bush, but it still nice to know you think of him.
Posted By: Derid Re: John Stewart - 05/17/13 02:56 PM
Originally Posted By: sini
Or it could be that you don't understand limitations of the president's office? Derid, if Obama wanted you personally assassinated, he probably couldn't. He can't get such trivial thing accomplished, yet you do not hesitate to assign blame for all kinds of far-fetched plots to him.


No, I think there is quite a bit you do not understand however. Something you might want to try doing sometime is reading a few history books. You also might try reading what I actually wrote regarding chain of command. Like I said, the operator would actually have been Valerie Jarret.

Good to see you around again though, I was wondering how long it would take you to get over the shocks to you system seeing the bad behavior by govt actually being reported on for once in the MSM.
Posted By: Sini Re: John Stewart - 05/17/13 03:07 PM
Derid, my time away had everything to do with being busy building communism in your backyard. I have completed it, and now I am back.
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