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I got them all right, so what's the point?

WHO SAID IT? Obama, Marx, or Stalin?

1. “The human being is in the most literal sense a political animal, not merely a gregarious animal, but an animal which can individuate itself only in the midst of society.”
2. “The history of all previous societies has been the history of class struggles.”
3. “In bourgeois (capitalist) society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality.”
4. “From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need.”
5. “Democracy is the road to socialism.”
6. “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.”
7. “WORKERS OF ALL LANDS UNITE.”
8. “THE PHILOSOPHERS HAVE ONLY INTERPRETED THE WORLD IN VARIOUS WAYS - THE POINT HOWEVER IS TO CHANGE IT.”
9. “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.”
10. “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.”
11. “Mankind is divided into rich and poor, into property owners and exploited; and to abstract oneself from this fundamental division ;and from the antagonism between poor and rich means abstracting oneself from fundamental facts.”
12. “The great task before our founders was putting into practice the ideal that government could simultaneously serve liberty and advance the common good. and Government, he believed, had an important role to play in advancing our common prosperity.”
13. “I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.”
14. “Yes, our greatness as a nation has depended on individual initiative, on a belief in the free market. But it has also depended on our sense of mutual regard for each other, of mutual responsibility. The idea that everybody has a stake in the country, that we’re all in it together and everybody’s got a shot at opportunity. Americans know this. We know that government can’t solve all our problems - and we don’t want it to. But we also know that there are some things we can’t do on our own. We know that there are some things we do better together.”
15. *** BONUS QUOTE- tricky one here: “We’ll be there a century, hopefully. If it works right. I’ll tell you one thing, that it is not something we should hope for, and that’s a democratic Iraq. When I hear the president talking about democracy, the last thing we should want is an election in Iraq. I mean, we’re not very popular. So I don’t think we’ll see any open elections in Iraq for a long time. And hopefully, over time they can be brought along like Japan and Germany - Japan and Germany were relatively easy, I think, and South Korea. Here were autocratic governments brought around to really nice democracies, successful democracies. Creating a successful democracy in Iraq is going to take longer, and we may be there longer as a consequence.”

WHO SAID IT?

I am not a Marxist.
A. Barack Obama or B. Karl Marx

Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man how to fish, you ruin a wonderful business opportunity.
A. Ben Bernanke or B. Karl Marx

Social progress can be measured by the social position of the female sex.
A. Hillary Clinton or B. Karl Marx

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.
A. Nobel Peace Prize Committee or B. Karl Marx

The worker of the world has nothing to lose, but their chains, workers of the world unite.
A. SEIU president Andy Stern or B. Karl Marx

Reason has always existed, but not always in a reasonable form.
A. Barney Frank or B. Karl Marx

The only antidote to mental suffering is physical pain
A. Senate Health Care Bill or B. Karl Marx

The past lies like a nightmare upon the present.
A. Barack Obama talking about George W Bush or B. Karl Marx

I do not like money, money is the reason we fight.
A. Timothy Geithner or B. Karl Marx

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions
A. Stimulus Package or B. Karl Marx

Pop Quiz: Which of these quotes was said by Hitler and which was said by Obama?

A. “…our individual salvation depends on collective salvation. Because thinking only about yourself, fulfilling your immediate wants and needs, betrays a poverty of ambition.”

B. “Our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.”

The Common Good

"We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens."
Fidel Castro
John Edwards
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
Adolf Hitler

"Our individual salvation depends on our collective salvation."
Jesus Christ
Ivan Pavlov
Barack Obama
Mao Zedong

"It's time to put the common good, the national interest, ahead of individuals."
Adolf Hitler
Hillary Clinton
Benito Mussolini
Mao Zedong

"Our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest."
Joseph Stalin
Adolf Hitler
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama

It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few, and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."
Vladimir Lenin
Abraham Lincoln
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

"All individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived in their relation to the State."
Karl Marx
Joseph Stalin
Benito Mussolini
Hillary Clinton

"It's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential."
Jim Jones
Kim Jong Il
Barack Obama
Adolf Hitler

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. "
Hillary Clinton
Vladimir Lenin
Adolf Hitler
Robin Hood

"The world needs a new moral architecture... I believe that this should be the first topic to debate in our world of today, ethics, moral."
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Hugo Chavez

"I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe."
Idi Amin
Pol Pot
Saddam Hussein
Hillary Clinton


War

"Personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits."
Diane Feinstein
John Edwards
Hillary Clinton
Adolf Hitler

"The war in Iraq makes millions of dollars for big corporations, either weapons manufacturers or those working in the reconstruction, such as Halliburton and its sister companies. "
John Edwards
Hillary Clinton
Osama bin Laden
Noam Chomsky

"We hope that the great United States of America does not continue to use its enormous resources, especially its military might, to destroy human life on earth."
Hillary Clinton
Jimmy Carter
Idi Amin
Al Gore

"I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war."
King Leonidas of Sparta
George Washington
Barack Obama
Napoleon Bonaparte

"The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."
Karl Marx
Barack Obama
Noam Chomsky
Ramsey Clark

"We must confront the privileged elite who have destroyed a large part of the world."
Al Gore
Hillary Clinton
Hugo Chavez
Karl Marx

"There had to be a hysteria and a fear sent through America in order to get increased war budgets."
Al Gore
The New York Times
Daily Kos
Julius Rosenberg

"It is crystal clear who benefits from igniting the fire of this war and this bloodshed. They are the merchants of war, the bloodsuckers who run the policy of the world from behind the scenes: President Bush and his ilk, (and) the media giants."
Osama bin Laden
Hugo Chavez
Bill Maher
Keith Olbermann


Life in a Democracy

"The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win."
Al Gore
George W. Bush
Hillary Clinton
Leonid Brezhnev

"Crime is a product of social excess."
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
Vladimir Lenin
John Edwards

"It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."
Saddam Hussein
Adolf Hitler
Benito Mussolini
Vladimir Lenin

"Any kitchen maid should be able to run the country."
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
Vladimir Lenin
Adolf Hitler

"Can a nation be free if it oppresses other nations? It cannot."
Osama bin Laden
Barack Obama
Luis Farrakhan
Vladimir Lenin

"I hope we will come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who have no business with them."
Vladimir Lenin
Hillary Clinton
Fidel Castro
Mao Zedong

"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?"
Hillary Clinton
Adolf Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Che Guevara

"The only way to settle questions of an ideological nature or controversial issues among the people is by the democratic method, the method of discussion, of criticism, of persuasion and education, and not by the method of coercion or repression."
Hillary Clinton
Idi Amin
Barack Obama
Mao Zedong

"We have to build a political consensus, and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground."
Mao Zedong
Joseph Stalin
Idi Amin
Hillary Clinton


Healthcare

"We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age."
Hillary Clinton
Joseph Stalin
Barack Obama
Adolf Hitler

"We need to be as well prepared to defend ourselves against public health dangers, as we should be to defend ourselves against any foreign danger."
Adolf Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Fidel Castro
Hillary Clinton

"It requires that everybody be covered. It requires that everybody get preventive care."
Che Guevara
Vladimir Lenin
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards

"I had a few ideas about health care, and I've learned a few lessons since then, but I haven't given up the goal."
Fidel Castro
Pol Pot
Adolf Hitler
Hillary Clinton


Education

"The aim of the school must be to give the student, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the notion of the State."
Joseph Stalin
Hillary Clinton
John Kennedy
Adolf Hitler

"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
Mao Zedong
Joseph Stalin
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

"You young people, full of vigor and vitality, are in the bloom of life, like the sun at eight or nine in the morning. Our hope is placed on you."
Adolf Hitler
Mao Zedong
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."
Hillary Clinton
Al Gore
Barack Obama
Vladimir Lenin


Capitalism and War of Classes

"Too many people have made too much money."
Karl Marx
Al Capone
Hillary Clinton
John Kerry

"Capitalism leads us straight to hell."
Karl Marx
Paul Krugman
Hillary Clinton
Hugo Chavez

"Mankind is divided into rich and poor, into property owners and exploited; and to abstract oneself from this fundamental division and from the antagonism between poor and rich means abstracting oneself from fundamental facts."
John Edwards
Hillary Clinton
Joseph Stalin
Barack Obama

"I certainly think the free-market has failed."
Hugo Chavez
Hillary Clinton
Karl Marx
Vladimir Lenin

"Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps."
Vladimir Lenin
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards

"(We) can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."
Don Carleone
Hillary Clinton
Vladimir Lenin
Mao Zedong

"I am convinced that the path to a new, better and possible world is not capitalism, the path is socialism."
Hugo Chavez
Hillary Clinton
Adolf Hitler
Vladimir Lenin

"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."
Howard Zinn
Noam Chomsky
Nikita Khrushchev
Denis Kucinich

"First ascertain exactly the position of the various capitalists, then control them, influence them by restricting or enlarging, facilitating or hindering their credits, and finally (it) can entirely determine their fate."
Hillary Clinton
Paul Krugman
Vladimir Lenin
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

"It's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in the entire economy, that they are being watched."
Don Carleone
Chuck Schumer
Vladimir Lenin
Hillary Clinton

"The unfettered free market has been the most radically destructive force in American life in the last generation."
Ethel Rosenberg
Noam Chomsky
Hillary Clinton
Hugo Chavez

"The untrammeled intensification of laissez-faire capitalism and the spread of market values into all areas of life, is endangering our open and democratic society."
Hugo Chavez
Benito Mussolini
Kim Jong Il
George Soros

"There is a serious tendency toward capitalism among the well-to-do peasants."
Hillary Clinton
Hugo Chavez
Mao Zedong
George Soros

"The money has to go to the federal government because the federal government will spend that money better than the private sector will spend it."
Mao Zedong
Vladimir Lenin
Benito Mussolini
Hillary Clinton


Life As Political Struggle

"Print is the sharpest and the strongest weapon of our party."
James Carville
Al Franken
Arthur Schulzberger, Jr.
Joseph Stalin

"Destroy the family, you destroy the country."
Hillary Clinton
Medea Benjamin
Gloria Steinem
Vladimir Lenin

"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Al Gore
Mao Zedong
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

"I will fight against the division politics of revenge and retribution."
Adolf Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Maria de' Medici
Hillary Clinton

"Political work is the life-blood of all economic work."
George Soros
Barack Obama
Mao Zedong
Hillary Clinton

"I am particularly horrified by the use of propaganda and the manipulation of the truth and the revision of history."
Michael Moore
Hillary Clinton
Joseph Stalin
Joseph Goebbels

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth."
Michael Moore
Barack Obama
Vladimir Lenin
Hillary Clinton


Personal

"I'm quite modest. I don't want to tell people I'm a leader."
Pol Pot
Al Gore
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama

"Here it comes up again: the glorification of one personality. This is not good at all. I am just like everybody else."
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Vladimir Lenin

"I want to be a champion for the people I have fought for all my life - regular people."
Robin Hood
John Edwards
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama

"My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism."
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
Michael Moore
Karl Marx

"Sometimes people mistake the way I talk for what I am thinking."
Ted Kennedy
Idi Amin
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama

"Why do I have to keep proving to people that I am not a liar?"
O. J. Simpson
Dan Rather
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

"I never heard any such conversation."
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Sandy Berger
Ethel Rosenberg

See? Anyone can do it.

Pop quiz day!

Democrats have nothing on level of crazy GOP has, seeing how primaries went so far I don't think you have a toe (less a foot) to stand on.

Ugly truth is that given chance GOP would turn US into evangelical version of Sharia law. Much uglier truth is that a lot of you don't seem to have a problem with it.

Unsurprisingly, you seem to have no understanding of the Constitution.

I havent read or seen anything by any of the repub candidates that leads me to think a theocracy is coming. I havent even seen any of them pledge to try to roll back the assaults on religion and public standards of decency that have taken place over the last 30 years. Lets see, who wants to:

bring back or even allow school prayer?
allow states to have an official church?
ban birth control?
ban or limit pornography?
put nativity or other scenes on public land?
re-criminalize homosexuality?
conduct witch hunts to drum them out of the military?

hint: none.

once again, your use of hyperbole renders any point you are trying to make utterly worthless.

i wonder if you even know what sharia is based on your comments

Actually I think Santorum is for 1,3,4 and 7.

Sinij definitely has a habit of grouping anyone who thinks differently than he does together in strange ways though. Based on past experience, he lumps Ron Paul and Mitt Romney supporters in with Santorum supporters.. even though Ron Paul and Santorum agree on less than Santorum and Obama.

Pretty typical nowadays though, lots of people seem to think in terms of tags and labels... with little care or understanding for the underlying principles.

Its pretty endemic on the right and left.. and why the country is so messed up.