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Why do we need guns anyways? Only the Police, which work for Corporations, should be armed.The rest of us Americans are just sheep. BAHHHHHHHH.

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Originally Posted By: sinij
Do you think that availability of illegal guns correlates to availability of legal guns? All guns start as legal guns.

My stance is still - if gun goes above and beyond self defense weapon and into implements of war, risk of it eventually falling into illegal hands by far outweighs marginal, if any, increase of self-defense benefit over a regular gun.


Of course they do. Those who cannot obtain a weapon legally will find a means to obtain it. Typically through the use of a straw purchase or other methods. That's very bad news for the rest of the folks who DO follow the laws as they will have no recourse to counter it.

You're talking about punishing the legal owners and users of a device for the infractions of a few. A computer can be used to download all sorts of illicit material, yet no one is talking about banning them because, in the average users hands, they are merely a tool. The user decides how it is used.

Would you be willing to give up your system to ensure Evil Bill doesn't download clown porn or information that is considered 'illegal' by the governing body of the country he lives in ?

Cars, alcohol, fast food, hell just about anything can be abused to the point of being detrimental to society as a whole. History shows us how well prohibition did. Trying to ban all firearms would likely have a similar outcome.

Firearms are not the root of the problem here. They are, however, easier targets to ban when the other alternative is going after the criminals themselves.

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"A free people ought not only be ARMED and DISCIPLINED, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from ANY who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."- George Washington


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Originally Posted By: Daye
Originally Posted By: sinij
Do you think that availability of illegal guns correlates to availability of legal guns?


Of course they do. Those who cannot obtain a weapon legally will find a means to obtain it. Typically through the use of a straw purchase or other methods.


Would you rather deal with thugs armed with handguns or automatic weapons and assault rifles?

Even as a pro-gun person I don't see how anyone could argue for keeping "implements of war" available to legal and illegal markets. They go above and beyond defend-anything, yet when they inevitably end up making into illegal hands they are used to wage war.


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It's pretty simple really to me anyway. Gun types will exist no matter what is done and the US does not manufacture all guns so we cannot control what happens from the moment any gun leaves an assembly floor.

Your question about dealing with thugs armed with handguns or assault rifles would be ideal but the reality of this world is simple and the history of it is as such.

Militaries make weapons.
Militaries make more weapons.
previous generation of weapons go to public hands.

I understand your point of view but the idea of it is not reality. A weapon is a weapon is a weapon. Even if there were no firearms in existence and the world was a primarily peaceful place arms races would still happen.

fists>clubs>knives>staffs>spears>swords

You can't try to make any real sense of it. Just remember that humans as a race are warlike by nature.


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Originally Posted By: sinij
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Do you think that availability of illegal guns correlates to availability of legal guns?


Of course they do. Those who cannot obtain a weapon legally will find a means to obtain it. Typically through the use of a straw purchase or other methods.


Would you rather deal with thugs armed with handguns or automatic weapons and assault rifles?

Even as a pro-gun person I don't see how anyone could argue for keeping "implements of war" available to legal and illegal markets. They go above and beyond defend-anything, yet when they inevitably end up making into illegal hands they are used to wage war.


In a perfect world there would be no militaries no guns and no violence. Back to reality, in order to get rid of any kind of gun you would have to strip militaries of those weapons as well. If there are any guns around AT ALL they will be stolen or sold and put into the wrong hands. So I think we all can agree that if you have ANY guns at all they will get into the wrong hands at some point.

Again, we have laws. In a perfect world if everyone followed those laws we wouldn't have the problems we have. But we live in a little thing called REALITY GET USED TO IT!




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