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Originally Posted By: sinij
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The Germans, and all NATO countries, live under the aegis of US protection, freeing up their budgets for the sort of vast social spending that you, Sinij, appear to advocate.


Who are you protecting "the world" against? These days war is waged in finances and cyberspace, you only need bare minimum 'boots on the ground' to keep occasional backwards dictator in check. The world moved on, your views have not.

Is it really? So Hezbollah has stopped firing rockets at Israel and is now just launching DoS attacks? The Iranian have renounced nuclear weapons and are in the counterfeit business?
To the point, the "bare minimum" sum total of all European NATO powers was UNABLE to remove a backwards dictator without US help. Remember how well NATO handled the breakup of Yugoslavia??
It's not a matter of whose views have moved on, as you stated, but human nature.


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Originally Posted By: Cheerio

Are you prepared to discuss the radicalization of the progressive movement?


Yes. Thankfully radicalization of Republican party and consequent exodus of moderate and centrist conservatives into Democratic fold put Democrats firmly into centrist position.



Is this some kind of irony you are going for where the literal meaning of what you just said actually means it's exact opposite? What, pray, is centrist about:

progressive tax
abortion on demand
yearly deficits of almost 50%
enormous expansion of the welfare state
amnesty for illegals
gays in the military
gigantic increase in scope and size of all regulation
near total shutdown in development of new energy
massive expansion of government in medical, educational, and financial fields

If you think these things are centrist, please explain what in YOU OPINION would be a radical leftist agenda? Because it appears to me that you are so far to the left that your whole worldview is hopelessly skewed


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Originally Posted By: Cheerio
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Who are you protecting "the world" against? These days war is waged in finances and cyberspace, you only need bare minimum 'boots on the ground' to keep occasional backwards dictator in check. The world moved on, your views have not.


Is it really? So Hezbollah has stopped firing rockets at Israel and is now just launching DoS attacks? The Iranian have renounced nuclear weapons and are in the counterfeit business?


As Vietnam with US, Afghanistan with Soviets, Iraq with US and now Afghanistan with US showed is big military means fuck all against insurgents entrenched in their own territory fighting guerrilla warfare. As to nukes - how is spending more on traditional military (boots on the ground and carriers) going to make them less of a threat? Days of Cold War, when that stuff mattered, are over. Go back to your rocking chair, grandpa.

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To the point, the "bare minimum" sum total of all European NATO powers was UNABLE to remove a backwards dictator without US help.


Why is US in the business of "removing backwards dictators" and invading/bombing various third world countries?


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Originally Posted By: Cheerio
Originally Posted By: sinij
Originally Posted By: Cheerio

Are you prepared to discuss the radicalization of the progressive movement?


Yes. Thankfully radicalization of Republican party and consequent exodus of moderate and centrist conservatives into Democratic fold put Democrats firmly into centrist position.



Is this some kind of irony you are going for where the literal meaning of what you just said actually means it's exact opposite? What, pray, is centrist about:

progressive tax
abortion on demand
yearly deficits of almost 50%
enormous expansion of the welfare state
amnesty for illegals
gays in the military
gigantic increase in scope and size of all regulation
near total shutdown in development of new energy
massive expansion of government in medical, educational, and financial fields

If you think these things are centrist, please explain what in YOU OPINION would be a radical leftist agenda? Because it appears to me that you are so far to the left that your whole worldview is hopelessly skewed


Centrist? When you look past loaded language - just about everything. One day Conservative movement will wake up and realize that pandering to ultra-right not only does them great disservice, it also not at all representative of US population views.

Here is example you might be able to understand - imagine if PETA and Greenpeace virtually dictated Democratic policy? What do you think would happen to Progressive movement?


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Lol sinij, the "backward dictators" quote was from your post you numbnut! Removing khaddafi was not started by the US, but by the peace loving nations of Europe, who get their oil from Libya. The US had to step in and save their. acon, as usual.

The only other 3rd world dictator I can remember invading recently was in Iraq. IIRC the UN kicked his ass in '91, he failed to comply with the terms of the instrument of surrender, and so the US once again had to do the heavy lifting. We should have left after that but oh well


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Originally Posted By: sinij
Originally Posted By: Cheerio
Originally Posted By: sinij
Originally Posted By: Cheerio

Are you prepared to discuss the radicalization of the progressive movement?


Yes. Thankfully radicalization of Republican party and consequent exodus of moderate and centrist conservatives into Democratic fold put Democrats firmly into centrist position.



Is this some kind of irony you are going for where the literal meaning of what you just said actually means it's exact opposite? What, pray, is centrist about:

progressive tax
abortion on demand
yearly deficits of almost 50%
enormous expansion of the welfare state
amnesty for illegals
gays in the military
gigantic increase in scope and size of all regulation
near total shutdown in development of new energy
massive expansion of government in medical, educational, and financial fields

If you think these things are centrist, please explain what in YOU OPINION would be a radical leftist agenda? Because it appears to me that you are so far to the left that your whole worldview is hopelessly skewed


Centrist? When you look past loaded language - just about everything. One day Conservative movement will wake up and realize that pandering to ultra-right not only does them great disservice, it also not at all representative of US population views.

Here is example you might be able to understand - imagine if PETA and Greenpeace virtually dictated Democratic policy? What do you think would happen to Progressive movement?


Are you able to answer a direct question or not? In answer to your question; both of those groups have values well within the normal range of typical progessives, ie not extreme


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I was reading this this article and stumbled on following quote:

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The left has moved right. The center has moved right. What constitutes a controversial position is a moving target.

Xenophobia. Demonization of the United Nations and the Federal Reserve. Radical reduction of federal budget and influence. Conflation of federalism with socialism. Cult of states rights. Christian exceptionalism. Return to the gold standard. Not to mention the dismantling, in the name of jobs, of the entire regulatory infrastructure of the nation.


Very concise definition of Republicans.


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Originally Posted By: Cheerio


Are you able to answer a direct question or not?


Then ask me direct question instead of "Have you stopped beating your mother for the day?" smear-baits.


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In answer to your question; both of those groups have values well within the normal range of typical progessives, ie not extreme


I don't think you are equipped to make a distinction from your ultra-right position. From your point of view, and you admitted as much, centrists positions are "liberal agenda".

"progressive tax" - was always the case, look at historical picture and you will see top tax bracket averages much, much higher than what it is now. Its only after cult of "trickle down" was born that we started dismantling progressive taxation, immediately wealth accumulation at the top shot through the roof and everyone else is poorer as a result.

"abortion on demand" - its called woman's rights. Roe v. Wade was settled during 70s, 40 years later and this issue is under attack again due to bible thumpers hijacking conservative movement. Plus for all your "small government" folks - why should the government/church participate in private citizens reproductive activities?

"yearly deficits of almost 50%" - look at your own bedfellows, how much of that deficit wasted in Iraq or unwarranted tax cuts for the rich?

"enormous expansion of the welfare state" - this has nothing to do with aging and retiring baby boomers, hasn't it?

"amnesty for illegals" - That was Ronald Reagan. Plus this country was built by "illegals", otherwise it would still be Tribal Indian territory.

"gays in the military" - another evangelical extreme right issue, everyone else doesn't care ether way as long as it stays behind closed doors.

"gigantic increase in scope and size of all regulation" - yes like repeal of Glass–Steagall Act that allowed banks to engage in reckless gambling with other people's money and caused financial meltdown.

"near total shutdown in development of new energy" - ??? If anything, exactly opposite is true - Progressive are trying to push alternative energy and diversification from oil. You mean more risky deep water drilling, like in Gulf?

"massive expansion of government in medical, educational, and financial fields" - I will give you educational, everything else just not there.

So out of NINE points, you have ONE THIRD of a point. Plus two points (military gays, abortions) exemplify radicalization of what left of conservative movement.


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"near total shutdown in development of new energy" - ??? If anything, exactly opposite is true - Progressive are trying to push alternative energy and diversification from oil. You mean more risky deep water drilling, like in Gulf?


New Nuclear reactor design approved.

This was stalled for 8 years under Bush.


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Originally Posted By: sinij
Originally Posted By: sinij

"near total shutdown in development of new energy" - ??? If anything, exactly opposite is true - Progressive are trying to push alternative energy and diversification from oil. You mean more risky deep water drilling, like in Gulf?


New Nuclear reactor design approved.

This was stalled for 8 years under Bush.


I thought Progressives didn't like Nuclear energy because of the risk of having a nuclear meltdown?
Nuclear Plant design approved
If this is the same link you posted, where did you get that quote from? The link you provided needs to have a log in to be seen. That's why I'm posting the link and the text. I'm wondering where you got that quote from and can you provide any facts that BUSH stalled the Nuclear plant from being built?

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WASHINGTON — The Nuclear Regulatory Commission unanimously approved a radical new reactor design on Thursday, clearing away a major obstacle for two utilities to begin construction on projects in South Carolina and Georgia.


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The decision, a milestone in the much-delayed revival of plant construction sought by the nuclear industry, involves the Westinghouse AP1000, a 1,154-megawatt reactor with a so-called advanced passive design. It relies more heavily on forces like gravity and natural heat convection and less on pumps, valves and operator actions than other models do, in theory diminishing the probability of an accident.

Two reactors are planned for the Southern Company’s plant near Augusta, Ga., and another two at the Summer plant of South Carolina Electric and Gas in Fairfield County, S.C.

In an unusual step, the commission waived the usual 30-day waiting period before its approval becomes official, so its decision will be effective in about a week. That moves the utilities closer to the point where they can start pouring concrete for safety-related parts of the plant.

The decision also moves the industry toward the first test of a streamlined procedure in which the commission will issue a combined construction and operating license. Up to now reactors had to obtain a construction license and then undergo a long wait for an operating license, resulting in expensive delays in starting up reactors that had essentially been completed.

Many of today’s operating reactors were one of a kind. Under the new system, the utility will use a standard design preapproved by the commission, like the one endorsed on Thursday. The only remaining issue will be whether the utility was faithful to the authorized design. Southern and South Carolina Electric and Gas could get combined licenses soon.

The new licensing procedure is intended to cut costs, which ran so high in the last round of construction, in the 1970s and 1980s, that many projects were abandoned half-built.

In the emerging round of construction, Southern and South Carolina Electric and their partners have already spent hundreds of millions of dollars digging foundations for the projects. They have also brought in cooling water and taken other early steps that do not require approval of the reactor design.

In a statement welcoming the commission’s decision, Westinghouse said that about 3,000 high-paying construction jobs would be created at each plant site and that workers manufacturing components at factories around the country would benefit as well.

Of the 104 operating power reactors in the United States, the youngest entered service in 1996.

The four reactors to be built are the only survivors in what had been envisioned as a bigger field of new plants that narrowed over the last three years as investors ran into financial and other obstacles.

In fact, it is not clear whether ground will be broken on any additional reactors soon; industry experts say the biggest obstacle is that the price of natural gas remains quite low, making it difficult to produce electricity from a reactor at a price competitive with electricity from a gas-burning plant.

Congress has approved $18.5 billion in loan guarantees for new reactors and there is considerable support for even more, but it is not clear that borrowers will emerge.

Among other design improvements, the Westinghouse AP1000 is supposed to shut down safely in the event of a loss of all electrical power, which is what befell the Fukushima Daiichi plant in Japan after the earthquake and tsunami in March.

Westinghouse says that a combination of automatic systems and design features would keep the reactor safe for three days without human intervention and that its core could be kept from melting indefinitely with only minimal operator effort.

The regulatory commission approved an earlier version of the AP1000 in 2006, but the design was later ruled out for American utilities when the agency adopted a rule in 2008 requiring newly constructed reactors to be able to withstand the impact of a crashing aircraft.

China is in advanced stages of constructing four units of an earlier version of the AP1000. The first unit is scheduled to go online in 2013, about three years before the first one would begin operating in the United States.

Westinghouse predicts that certification of the design by the regulatory commission will make it easier for the company to market the model around the world.

Opponents of the reactor, among them the North Carolina group NC Warn, have argued that no new designs should be certified until the lessons of the Fukushima accident have been fully absorbed.

And Representative Edward J. Markey, Democrat of Massachusetts, and others have drawn attention to concerns raised by an engineer at the commission that a building surrounding the reactor containment might fail under some circumstances.

But the chairman of the commission, Gregory B. Jaczko, said that all of the panel’s safety concerns had been fully addressed.

“The design provides enhanced safety margins through use of simplified, inherent, passive or other innovative safety and security functions, and also has been assessed to ensure it could withstand damage from an aircraft impact without significant release of radioactive materials,” he said in a statement.

The decision is a rare instance of agreement among the commissioners, who have split this year over policy and management issues. Last week four of them testified before Congress that Dr. Jaczko had limited the flow of information to them and tried to cut them out of important decisions.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: December 22, 2011


An earlier version of this story included an erroneous headline. A new reactor design from Westinghouse was approved; two utilities did not win approval for nuclear power plants.

A version of this article appeared in print on December 23, 2011, on page B6 of the New York edition with the headline: Approval of Reactor Design Clears Path for New Plants.

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