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GOP- Party of the rich

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It was the birth of what is now known as "Starve the Beast" – a conscious strategy by conservatives to force cuts in federal spending by bankrupting the country. As conceived by the right-wing intellectual Irving Kristol in 1980, the plan called for Republicans to create a "fiscal problem" by slashing taxes – and then foist the pain of reimposing fiscal discipline onto future Democratic administrations who, in Kristol's words, would be forced to "tidy up afterward."


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TheTop 50 in Congress is pretty even with 23 out 50 being Republican.


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It's fact that the right gives more to charities than the left. So much for screaming about helping others. The left wants to rely on Government taking from everyone because they do not like to give as much. So forcing people Via taxation is "Fair" HORSE-SHIT!

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Power vs. The rest of us

Just like being poor or impoverished doesn't care about what the color of your skin is, being rich and suckling on the tit of power doesn't care which side of the GoP/DNP you are on.


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Super-committee fails to reach the deal

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The Republican and Democratic heads of the 12-member committee are now expected to issue a statement later on Monday, probably after the US markets have closed, saying they have been unable to reach a deal.

Disagreements have centred on whether tax increases should form part of the budget reduction measures, with Democrats in favour of such rises but Republicans opposed.

Democratic Senator Patty Murray, one of the committee's co-chairs, told CNN that the Republicans' position on taxes was the sticking point.

The wealthiest Americans, who earn over a million a year have to share too. And that line in the sand, we haven't seen Republicans willing to cross yet," she said.


GOP would rather see random budget cuts, including $500bn from defense, than increase taxes on 1% from historic lows.


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The increased taxes wouldnt help anything in any meaningful way, its just the Dems playing class warfare politics.

Budget cuts are good though. Since are borrowing 40 cents on the dollar from china, best bet is to just chop huge pieces. Govt collects PLENTY of money in taxes.

Not raising taxes to appease the marxists makes sense, because its obvious we have a spending problem not a revenue problem. Making it look like we are conceding a point that we need to tax more would be a big mistake. We tax enough.

If we just cut out everything Obama has done, returned to Clinton era entitlements, draw down the military , close a few bases that we dont really need overseas, bring the troops home, and refrain from any more unnecessary wars for a while we would be absolutely fine and able to grow out of our debts.

Its really pretty simple, but the Dems want to make a class warfare statement instead of being sensible and doing what is right for the country. But then again, even though the GOP only does whats right for the country half the time.. I cant think of any time off the top of my head where the Dems did anything that was good for the country.


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Originally Posted By: Derid

The increased taxes wouldnt help anything in any meaningful way, its just the Dems playing class warfare politics.



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Increasing tax revenues to pay off deficit isn't "meaningful" ? Historic high profits, historic low taxes, bailouts and bonuses all while everybody else but 1% struggles isn't "class warfare" for you?!

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Its really pretty simple, but the Dems want to make a class warfare statement instead of being sensible and doing what is right for the country.


Really? "Sensible" to give another tax brake to the rich, and everyone else can go to hell? Why? Where are these magical jobs-created that were used to justify these taxes? In China?

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Its not another break, its the status quo.

The fact that the effect of taxing them would be minor in the grand scheme of things, but you and your comrades are stuck on the issue with laser-like focus proves my point. Its an ideological point and an emotional point, but not a very practical one.

You are even calling it "another" tax break. I am all for closing loopholes, but without taking advantage of loopholes those who are "rich" pay higher rates.

People who make like 60k-200k really get hammered because they arent the "1%" but pay a huge share of the taxes. Every single time, when you give up the principle and agree to tax the "rich" its not the 1% who ends up getting it in the end. Its the middle class.

Everyone knows that the marxists "1%" really isnt about the super wealthy. Its about anyone who has more than they do.


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Originally Posted By: Derid

Its not another break, its the status quo.


Not quite. We are at historic lows and not for significant portion of modern history.



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The fact that the effect of taxing them would be minor in the grand scheme of things


If you see deficit reduction as "minor in the grand scheme of things" why are we even having this discussion?

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Everyone knows that the marxists "1%" really isnt about the super wealthy. Its about anyone who has more than they do.


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Republicans, specifically trickle-down reaganomics sold these low taxes as a way to stimulate job creation. They proposed that we temporarily borrow money while keeping taxes lower to stimulate economy and job creation. Well, borrowed money party started and yet to finish, but where are the jobs?


I know where - China, India, Brazil.

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U.S.-based multinational corporations added 1.5 million workers to their payrolls in Asia and the Pacific region during the 2000s, and 477,500 workers in Latin America, while cutting payrolls at home by 864,000, the Commerce Department reported, quantifying a much-noted trend.


So now that reaganomics were disproved beyond any point of doubt, maybe it is time to a) raise taxes b) stop borrowing and c) balance the budget?


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We are well into "robber baron" era of wealth inequality.

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