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#94572 - 11/05/11 01:42 AM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted By: sinij
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Originally Posted By: sinij
This drivel belongs in politics forum.



Are you one of those people that will give up liberty and freedom to be taken care of by the Government? If America is so bad why are you here?


Lets translate this:

"Are you one of those people that will give up liberty and freedom"

You disagree with conservatives.

"to be taken care of by the Government?"

You believe in social contract and "pursuit of happiness" part of constitution. You believe in helping sick, elderly and disabled. You believe in investing into infrastructure.

"If America is so bad why are you here?"

Knee-jerk.


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#94574 - 11/05/11 02:46 AM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: JetStar]  
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Originally Posted By: JetStar
Originally Posted By: sinij
Originally Posted By: Wolfgang
Originally Posted By: sinij
This drivel belongs in politics forum.



Are you one of those people that will give up liberty and freedom to be taken care of by the Government? If America is so bad why are you here?


Lets translate this:

"Are you one of those people that will give up liberty and freedom"

You disagree with conservatives.

"to be taken care of by the Government?"

You believe in social contract and "pursuit of happiness" part of constitution. You believe in helping sick, elderly and disabled. You believe in investing into infrastructure.

"If America is so bad why are you here?"

Knee-jerk.


I LOVE YOU SINIJ - YOU ARE MY HERO!

Stick it to um!

Yeah... let's all live in a socialist wonderland. It's worked so well everywhere else.
/sarcasm

#94618 - 11/07/11 02:31 AM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: Wolfgang]  
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No lets instead live in corporatist wonderland, where there is no regulations whatsoever, after all who needs clean air, water and non-poisoned food?

You'd think last financial meltdown would be a wake up call for you right-wing nuts. Too big to fail, the CAPITALISTS WAY! Citizen, stand aside in awe and see us in action while we pillage pension funds, speculate with value of your house, gamble with money we borrowed from your savings and ship your jobs down the river to China.

America, fuck yeah!


#94622 - 11/07/11 04:01 AM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: Sini]  
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The problem with most leftists, is they will only argue about straw men. Would be refreshing to see one actually discuss something seriously for once, but I swear almost all I have ever seen are ad hominem attacks, tilting at straw men, or Socratian diversions.

Just an FYI also Sinij, it was the left that caused the meltdown just as much as the right. And it was ll statists, which is the real evil here. Go look up Barney Frank sometime, go look up the reasons why financial institutions at the ground level felt compelled to loan to people who couldnt pay it back. What the impetus was for trying to securitize and offload the crappy mortages in the first place. Yeah, you guessed it - because of Govt meddling.

Also, noone likes the crony capitalists either, not sure why you insist on trying to make like that is the case.


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#94626 - 11/07/11 05:03 AM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: Derid]  
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Originally Posted By: Derid

The problem with most leftists, is they will only argue about straw men.


Yes, I think instead we should talk about Abortion and President's birth certificate! Forget shrinking middle class and shrinking net worth of bottom 95%, forget bank shenanigans and bailouts, forget skyrocketing and unsustainable costs for education, health care.


#94634 - 11/07/11 07:25 AM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: Sini]  
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That type of response is exactly what I am talking about.

Spot on, bravo for helping make my point in such a clear and concise manner.

Now, I must be off to the other threads where I am talking about birth certificates and abortion... oh wait...


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#94637 - 11/07/11 10:12 AM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted By: sinij
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The problem with most leftists, is they will only argue about straw men.


Yes, I think instead we should talk about Abortion and President's birth certificate! Forget shrinking middle class and shrinking net worth of bottom 95%, forget bank shenanigans and bailouts, forget skyrocketing and unsustainable costs for education, health care.


Talking about knee-jerk, Instead of having REAL healthcare and education reform let's just jump into socialism, and bypass that reform thing.


Oh if you want to sling blame around on the education issue. You might want to start with the teachers unions.

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#94641 - 11/07/11 03:03 PM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: Derid]  
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Originally Posted By: Derid

That type of response is exactly what I am talking about.

Spot on, bravo for helping make my point in such a clear and concise manner.



Your point? Don't make me laugh. You have been doing nothing but spewing conservative sound bites for a while, to the point that KGB had to create separate message board to contain it. We love you bro, but really don't care to read continuous replay of Fox News in your posts. You are conservative, we get it, but stop with FUD already, you can hardly go anywhere on Oracle without stepping into your droppings.

"Government is the problem" and variations of 'red scare' is as cliche as it gets. I know I can't convince you not to charge the windmills with 'government' but at least read up on McCarthy before you start spreading read scare again.


#94645 - 11/07/11 03:10 PM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: Sini]  
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I think you're targeting the wrong person Sinj. Derid is not nearly as vocal as many of the rest of us, and the charge that "you can hardly go anywhere on Oracle without stepping into your droppings" may apply to me or to Wolfgang but definitely not to Derid. I think you need to cool your jets for a minute and refocus your misplaced anger into something more constructive. Please note that not once has Derid attacked you personally. Getting angry at some one simply for disagreeing with you is the sign of a small mind and one unwilling to adjust to change...


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#94646 - 11/07/11 03:15 PM Re: Powerful Paintings... [Re: Wolfgang]  
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Originally Posted By: Wolfgang
[quote=sinij][quote=Derid] Instead of having REAL healthcare and education reform let's just jump into socialism, and bypass that reform thing.


This just boggles my mind. REAL healthcare reform, a single player, didn't happen because conservatives dug up McCarthy's carcass and paraded it around capital hill.

Market-driven health care could not function well by definition. Any functional market-driven system depends on consumer having real choice to walk away and not consume, and that is never the case with healthcare. Costs will continue spiral out of control, with more and more people getting priced out of the market for as long as for-profit health insurance exists.


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