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"Also there are politicans that using the legal system avoid arrest and are able to re-eletecd themselves."

Now see, when that gets a bit out of hand, firearms go a long way in putting a stop to that. At the extreme level, it's called a dictatorship.

You're saying a sane person without a gun, becomes Insane with a gun. Now how does that make any sense? I have a gun, the only difference I feel when it's not by my side, is vulnerability. Especially if I'm in an area of Tulsa that's known for criminal activity.

As I recall from news I do catch coming from Brazil, it seems there's a lot of drug cartel activity. Which explains a lot of gun related deaths. YES you're going to have an occasional idiot that can legally carry a gun, go off and shoot people. That's rare compared to the violence that has to do with drugs and other criminal activity.

It's a fact here in Brazil that almost 50% of deaths from firearms do not come from criminal activities or people being assaulted or trying to defend againt criminals.

Of course everyone should have the right to defend himself.
I said If I had to choose, I have to weight each side, and I would choose the side that cause less damage to my society, By the statistics seems that Brazilians are not ready to have this right.

This was someone's Facebook post today..

Thought it fitting..

why are you guys not allowed to have for example m14, what if 3 or more criminals point weapons to you? what if your government becames ditactor and with your pistol cant defend against them with automatic weapons and what about other governments coming invade USA, would not be better you all with automatic rifles and etc on your back? why not a granade with you Wolf?

those guns do not kill, its people that kill.

take it easy.

Technically, we -can- own automatic weapons. Due to the silly
ban currently in effect, only those manufactured prior to 1986 I
believe are considered available for civilian ownership. If you
don't mind spending the $$$ on the Transfer Tax for each device,
you can legally own a grenade as well. ( State Laws may further
limit what you can own and they vary from State to State )

Due to the limitation, however, they are quite expensive and not
really a viable option unless you have truckloads of cash you
don't know what to do with. ( ~$15k - $30k avg price ) Unless
you go ghetto gun that is. You can get Mac-10's and Uzi's for
anywhere from $3k - $6k legally.

Not to mention how much $$$ you'll spend in ammunition costs when
you empty a clip in seconds. I prefer accuracy vs quantity. I
also prefer long distance engagements vs in your face room
clearing ones.

To answer the 3+ criminals pointing guns at me ?

Dunno. Can't answer that until the day it happens. I can say
this: If I survived such an episode, I would hunt them down and
remove them from society.

I think I'm falling in love with Daye.

*edit
Its even cheaper than the transfer fee, since anyone, who isn't a felon, can get a class III Federal Firearms License and then you can own all the explosives and fully auto weapons you want, plus sell them to folks who have trucks of money to blow.

So I guess you guys cannot buy cheap US automatic rifles and cannot import AK(s) from USSR, what a shame!. What a intrusive government...

Meh. AK's accuracy are so bad the only reason they hit the
ground is due to Gravity. And again, full-auto is overrated.

I much prefer quiet and accurate.

Such as:

A very quiet Glock 19



Or a not so quiet .50bmg:




Now, I own both of these devices and a few others as well. Does
this make me a stone cold insane killer who will eventually gun
down an orphanage ? Or become the next Charles Whitman ? No.
Not at all. In fact, far less likely to hurt anyone than say
my drunken neighbor careening around the neighborhood in his
truck. . . . .

Understand that the folks who own firearms legally are not the
ones you need to be concerned about. The fools who are going to
use them to commit a crime don't CARE about the legalities of
firearm ownership. With any sort of gun ban in place, you simply
make the criminals job that much easier as he gets to enjoy a
' force monopoly ' so to speak. Since the majority follow the
laws, they know the likelihood of running into another firearm
is minimal. Unless they try to interact with another criminal
that is.

I've always questioned the intelligence of ' gun free ' zones.
Such as schools and businesses. Anyone willing to commit the
crime in the first place probably doesn't care they're breaking
a ' gun ' law by having a firearm on site. I equate it to
shooting fish in a barrel. There is no one on site that can
defend against it. You simply have to hope you live long enough
for the SWAT team to show up. :|

If you don't like guns and think they are the reason for the homicides in Brazil, why not push to have them completely banned? Then you wouldn't have to worry about people getting shot.

About the 3 dudes with guns. I'm not stupid, I'll go along with their little game. However if I feel like they are going to take my life no matter what I do, I'm fighting I'm not going to sit there and let someone take my life without a fight. Whatever happens, happens. But If I felt I could get out of that situation I would do what I can to do so.

I think you're missing the point. It's not like we want to have guns just so we can go shooting up people. I just want the opportunity to protect myself if something should occur. It's called being prepared. When shootings occur they are fast and violent, there's at least a 50% chance you will get hurt. Maybe even higher, I have every right to protect myself and my family.