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#86819 04/04/11 09:12 AM
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That's why nothing more than "fonctions régaliennes" (justice, army, diplomacy) should be given to any elected body representing more than 50 people.

You don't want officials to abuse their power or for lobbys to profit from it ? Don't give them this power. And don't ever do like socialist countries : every citizen, even after jail-time has a right to defend its life and property through use of weapons. Every citizen, whatever shit they're saying has a right to say it.


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While I think this is terrible legislation I did about 30 seconds of research and found that they have a piano for every child in the Michigan schools. No wonder they don't have any money, they are too busy spending it on things that used to be extra curricular activities. Maybe if parents would start being parents and stop letting the schools raise their children the state wouldn't be going broke. Obviously that is no excuse for this kind of legislation and it should be repealed immediately, but I noticed that the libs who are crying about it are claiming that the capitolists have been plotting this for years, but its the libs who are the ones who wanted to spend the money on things like $5,000 keyboards for each child...


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Why am I not surprised that you're a screaming lib Salochin?

Medicare and Medicaid need to be abolished along with Social Security. None of these plans were designed, nor intended to last forever. Just like any other ponzi scheme, they will eventually fall apart and we're seeing that start to happen now. The problem is that you're being lied to and told "noooo, there's no problem. We have plenty of money." When the reality is that our country is $14.276 Trillion in debt. Our income is $2.179 Trillion per year and our spending is $3.522 Trillion. It's pretty simple math to figure out that each year we're generating negative $1.343 Trillion, or $1.343 Trillion more in debt(which does not include the $3.571 Trillion in interest payments that we won't be able to make because we don't have any money). The debt isn't getting any smaller and our creditors are getting tired of not being paid.

Now, $1.514 Trillion of that spending each year is Medicare/Medicaid and Soc. Security. There is no program that even comes close to rivaling these for potential to cut and get our budget issues under control.


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I agree we need to saxe $$, but why don't the republicans stop giving the rich tax breaks, close the tax loop holes stop all the war they seem to love, oh ya they love killing more than helping. It is unfair the programs like that keep getting attacked, do you like the rights they stripped from unions in WI? How about if a baby is born with a disability they kill it, before it can grow up & be supported by your tax $$. Hey we don't need another none worker bee living of us do we!!! I am not gonna sit here & put all republicans are wrong & all democrats are right, but it seems when it is a Republican majority or Republican president, things get screwed up, look what happened when Bush was pres. & then he got voted in again to do more damage!!!! With Clinton there was a surplus & look what Bush did, if he worked for a company he would have been fired!!!

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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Why am I not surprised that you're a screaming lib Salochin?

Medicare and Medicaid need to be abolished along with Social Security. None of these plans were designed, nor intended to last forever. Just like any other ponzi scheme, they will eventually fall apart and we're seeing that start to happen now. The problem is that you're being lied to and told "noooo, there's no problem. We have plenty of money." When the reality is that our country is $14.276 Trillion in debt. Our income is $2.179 Trillion per year and our spending is $3.522 Trillion. It's pretty simple math to figure out that each year we're generating negative $1.343 Trillion, or $1.343 Trillion more in debt(which does not include the $3.571 Trillion in interest payments that we won't be able to make because we don't have any money). The debt isn't getting any smaller and our creditors are getting tired of not being paid.

Now, $1.514 Trillion of that spending each year is Medicare/Medicaid and Soc. Security. There is no program that even comes close to rivaling these for potential to cut and get our budget issues under control.


Really?

How do you expect our old folks that paid into this for most of their careers to get health care?

Amazing. Why not park half of our aircraft carriers?

The 2009 U.S. military budget accounts for approximately 40% of global arms spending and is over six times larger than the military budget of China (compared at the nominal US dollar / Renminbi rate, not the PPP rate). The United States and its close allies are responsible for two-thirds to three-quarters of the world's military spending (of which, in turn, the U.S. is responsible for the majority).

The U.S. Department of Defense budget accounted in fiscal year 2010 for about 19% of the United States federal budgeted expenditures and 28% of estimated tax revenues. Including non-DOD expenditures, defense spending was approximately 28–38% of budgeted expenditures and 42–57% of estimated tax revenues. According to the Congressional Budget Office, defense spending grew 9% annually on average from fiscal year 2000–2009.

I would rather cut military than taking care of old people you fucking barbarians.


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