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Wolfgang #75262 09/07/10 01:06 PM
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The point I think, was that the folk who are building the mosque/wanting to build the mosque arent the kkk/islamists.

The proper analogy here, is how would you feel if other folk who claimed to be Christian (and maybe still happened to be white) but were not affiliated with the kkk wanted to build a worship center/church on Martin Luther King Blvd.


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So here's my main beef with the mosque, the state department is footing the bill for this Imam to fly to the middle east to try and gather the funds for this mult-million dollar mosque. Sending some dude across the map to get funds from god knows who, just isn't getting it with me. And THAT is my main problem with it.

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Why not specify that as the problem then?

Specific issues like the conduct of the State Dept in regards to funds allocation, and treatment of an Orthodox congregation that may have gotten the shaft are separate issues - even if related in this context.

It is quite reasonable, I think, to say " Our govt should not be spending cash to fly religious figures around the world on their private fund raising journeys." Honestly I do not think that taxpayers should foot the bill for that sort of activity regardless of religion or denomination.


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Originally Posted By: JetStar


San Francisco actually has the church of Satan, and I don't see anyone raising hell about that.



ROFL, nice word play...


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Originally Posted By: JetStar
Yeah as Derid pointed out, the KKK are Christians, and you don't see all Christians being judged by their actions.

What about the "Christians" that protest at the US Army soldiers funerals because they believe that their deaths are because "God hates fags".

Its the old "Not in my backyard" mentality that really scares me. People want all the rights for them, and yet want to deny them for others.


As i said before i wont defend christians but i will defend jesus christ and the bible. You dont judge a christian by what another christian does judge them by what Jesus Christ did. Just like muslims i dont judge them by what other muslims do i judge what muhammad did.

I just feel to build a mosque there isnt right not so say they could build it anywhere else in NYC and they have been offered that and they want that particular spot.

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We can argue over this all day long but only the people living in nyc can really say anything about the mosque.


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The earlier kkk may have been anti-catholic, but they considered themselves very religious protestants. Catholics and protestants have a long history of killing each other actually, but in any case you know well what I was saying and you also know the point is not any less valid. Pick any nutcase group you wish that espouses Christian ideology - there have been plenty over the years, and make the same analogy.

Most if not all organized religions have plenty of blood on their hands. You saying "look at what Jesus vs Mohammad did" is also a religious argument, arguing your religion vs theirs. And while there is nothing wrong with that, bringing it into a political discussion in the USA is not particularly compelling - unless you/your groups also have a goal of setting up a theocracy like Iran has. In which case, comparative theology suddenly becomes very pertinent.


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it was a good read Jet.


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The very word “islam” comes from a word cognate to shalom, which means peace in Hebrew. The Koran declares in its 36th chapter, regarded by the Prophet Muhammad as the heart of the Koran, in a verse deemed the heart of this chapter, “Peace is a word spoken from a merciful Lord.”


Funny thing is islam also means SUBMISSION. granted it is submission to the will of God... But still means Submit.


Guess it is a good thing I am not muslim... as I probly would be stoned to death.. and not by WEED lol


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Originally Posted By: Valaria
it was a good read Jet.


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The very word “islam” comes from a word cognate to shalom, which means peace in Hebrew. The Koran declares in its 36th chapter, regarded by the Prophet Muhammad as the heart of the Koran, in a verse deemed the heart of this chapter, “Peace is a word spoken from a merciful Lord.”


Funny thing is islam also means SUBMISSION. granted it is submission to the will of God... But still means Submit.


Guess it is a good thing I am not muslim... as I probly would be stoned to death.. and not by WEED lol



Yeah Val,

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