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Disaster? Things are roaring along. Over 3% GDP growth in three consecutive quarters which we have not seen in 12 years, the stock market is about to crash through the 24,000 point mark, unemployment is way down, business and consumer confidence is rising.

On the other side of the aisle, you have a pair of sexual harassers in the form of Conyers and Franken.

I think Republicans have the better part of the bargain here.


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Originally Posted by Owain
Disaster? Things are roaring along. Over 3% GDP growth in three consecutive quarters which we have not seen in 12 years, the stock market is about to crash through the 24,000 point mark, unemployment is way down, business and consumer confidence is rising.

On the other side of the aisle, you have a pair of sexual harassers in the form of Conyers and Franken.

I think Republicans have the better part of the bargain here.


First, economy always lags well behind policy. If it was doing well now (it's not, for most people) it would be attributed by those who know a thing or two about economics to Obama's admin, not Trumps.

Second, you should really try looking at the bigger picture for once. The new tax plan is pretty horrid, and passing it one-sidedly will also quite possibly create huge backlash that does to the GOP what Obamacare did to the Dems - and might even be worse.

If the GOP has the better part of the bargain, well that might be true. The point here, is that all that good stuff applies only to them and a select, connected few. What happened to shrinking govt? Hopefully your memory isn't so short that you've already forgot about that important component. Enlarging govt while raising taxes on the bulk of us isn't exactly what was promised, nor will it win them any new friends. There will always be a few diehards, who can point out the sexual failures of people like Franken and Conyers, while somehow ignoring the Moores and Trumps of the world - but placing future electoral hopes on there being enough others with similar selective thinking is reminiscent of French proclamations of eventual victory because the Maginot Line is impenetrable.


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Originally Posted by Owain
Disaster? Things are roaring along. Over 3% GDP growth in three consecutive quarters which we have not seen in 12 years, the stock market is about to crash through the 24,000 point mark, unemployment is way down, business and consumer confidence is rising.

On the other side of the aisle, you have a pair of sexual harassers in the form of Conyers and Franken.

I think Republicans have the better part of the bargain here.


First, economy always lags well behind policy. If it was doing well now (it's not, for most people) it would be attributed by those who know a thing or two about economics to Obama's admin, not Trumps.


Yeah this is the point I really don't understand. How can they just sit here and lie to everyone that Trump magically "turned around" the economy within a few months of his presidency where he hasn't really done all that much. The economy and unemployment were moving in the right direction under Obama's Presidency, and that took years.

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Obama had eight years to show progress and failed. Trump is elected, changes policy, eliminates much of the excessive regulatory structure that choked the economy, and the economy responds positively.

I know you guys are still in denial about the election, and if you want to delude yourselves on this, be my guest, but you are only setting yourselves up for future electoral shock and dismay, because voters know bullshit when they smell it.

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Originally Posted by Owain
Obama had eight years to show progress and failed. Trump is elected, changes policy, eliminates much of the excessive regulatory structure that choked the economy, and the economy responds positively.


Economy should be visualized as Titanic. You can turn wheel all the way, but it takes long time to change course. Even if you think that Trump steering in the right direction, it is too early to see anything but very minor changes. The ship could only turn that fast.

Also, what exactly what do you think constitutes "eliminates much of the excessive regulatory structure" is? He didn't even finish getting his nominees in. At best, if you are extremely charitable, you can credit him with initiating the process of rolling back regulations.

Last but not least, Obama failed at many things. Economy isn't one of them. At least with traditional definition - employment % and stock markets. Wages continue to stagnate, but that was true since even before Reagan.


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Originally Posted by Goriom
How can they just sit here and lie to everyone that Trump magically "turned around" the economy within a few months of his presidency where he hasn't really done all that much.


One possible explanation is that Idiocracy has arrived. If Trump gets re-elected, I am heavily investing into electrolytes.


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Originally Posted by Sini


Also, what exactly what do you think constitutes "eliminates much of the excessive regulatory structure" is?

There was this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/susand...y-cuts-the-cost-of-regulating-increases/


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