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#141350 - 08/12/17 02:01 AM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted by Owain
Is supporting the President
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The longer you argue this tangent, the longer you are not holding Owain accountable for unconditional support of Trump.

Is supporting the President now a crime? Are we trying to villify people for thought crime?

I don't need your fucking permission.


You really gave that strawman good thrashing.

So Owain, what kind of criminal action by Trump would have you stop supporting him. Murder? Treason? Tax fraud? Perjury? Clear violation of election laws?


#141351 - 08/12/17 02:04 AM Re: Trump card [Re: Helemoto]  
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Originally Posted by Helemoto
Originally Posted by Sini
The longer you argue this tangent, the longer you are not holding Owain accountable for unconditional support of Trump.


Lets be honest. If we took out 75% of Sini pointless post the amount of resources that these forums would save could save the world.


Hele, you do know that personal attacks don't work on me. I am very comfortable in the gutter. We have been there together on many dates and I always enjoyed myself.

I have to wonder, after all these years together, when did this approach ever worked out for you? Help me understand, how did you arrive to "this time will be different" conclusion?


#141352 - 08/12/17 02:15 AM Re: Trump card [Re: Helemoto]  
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Originally Posted by Helemoto
Only if he doesn't approve of what you say. New Progressives work on innuendo and full blown hate speech,as in if you say what i want you to say then we hate you, then mix in violence and boom you have the new left. There is no more middle ground for a socialistic group.


While some of what you say about regressive left is accurate, what does any of this has to do with unconditionally supporting Trump? Could you consider that there might be in-between positions between regressive left and unconditional Trump support? That is, for example, according to your proposed standard questioning Trump's integrity automatically puts you in the same category as SJW?


#141360 - 08/12/17 01:04 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Helemoto
Only if he doesn't approve of what you say. New Progressives work on innuendo and full blown hate speech,as in if you say what i want you to say then we hate you, then mix in violence and boom you have the new left. There is no more middle ground for a socialistic group.


While some of what you say about regressive left is accurate, what does any of this has to do with unconditionally supporting Trump? Could you consider that there might be in-between positions between regressive left and unconditional Trump support? That is, for example, according to your proposed standard questioning Trump's integrity automatically puts you in the same category as SJW?


Every point you try to make and how you say it puts you into the SJW group. Putting words into the mouths of people you don't agree with. Unconditional Trump support???? No one said they unconditionally support anyone. That was your invention. Like a true SJW.


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Originally Posted by Helemoto
Originally Posted by Sini
That is, for example, according to your proposed standard questioning Trump's integrity automatically puts you in the same category as SJW?

Every point you try to make and how you say it puts you into the SJW group.

I will take that as a Yes.

This "only true believers" approach is problematic. You either delegate your thinking or your integrity. If enough people do that you end up with a nation of fools and liars.


#141362 - 08/12/17 10:33 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Helemoto
Originally Posted by Sini
That is, for example, according to your proposed standard questioning Trump's integrity automatically puts you in the same category as SJW?

Every point you try to make and how you say it puts you into the SJW group.

I will take that as a Yes.

This "only true believers" approach is problematic. You either delegate your thinking or your integrity. If enough people do that you end up with a nation of fools and liars.



Yes that is what you do. Thanks for finally seeing the light.


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#141363 - 08/13/17 02:06 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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Not to go off topic here but if Sini is considered an SJW, than that term has lost all its meaning lol.

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#141364 - 08/13/17 05:59 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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Check your gender normative white privilege! Also stop raping my safe space with your manspreading microagressions.

I kid, I kid.



#141365 - 08/13/17 06:07 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Helemoto]  
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Originally Posted by Helemoto
Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Helemoto
Originally Posted by Sini
That is, for example, according to your proposed standard questioning Trump's integrity automatically puts you in the same category as SJW?

Every point you try to make and how you say it puts you into the SJW group.

I will take that as a Yes.

This "only true believers" approach is problematic. You either delegate your thinking or your integrity. If enough people do that you end up with a nation of fools and liars.

Yes that is what you do.


This is equivalent to saying that the only reason to vote against Hillary is misogynism. While some people will voice such opinions, we rightfully ridicule them. That is, such view narrows us vs. them to absurd levels.

The same must be true in Trump situation. There are epistemically justified (valid) reasons to support or oppose him. However, both unconditional support and unconditional opposition is an expression of pure tribalism indicative of defective thinking.

While you might disagree, to me holding rational beliefs is more important than what these beliefs actually are.


#141376 - 08/15/17 11:07 AM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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While what you say is true, you do not practice what you preach. If someone supports a certain person you automatically call him a unconditional supporter.
You sir are a label maker. You play identity politics and that reduces us. You make people commodities without hopes and dreams. You make groups to be labeled and courted and pandered to.
You say you hold rational beliefs but you don't want shared beliefs or values you only want multiple interest groups who are told what to think and be divided. That results in only speaking to the "groups" and being the only valid and true way to think.
You want to divide and set us against each other. To classify and categorize us by all sorts of measurements and standards. Identity politics should be the class you teach.


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