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#141221 - 08/01/17 04:52 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Owain]  
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Originally Posted by Owain
Still looking for evidence -- EVIDENCE -- of violations of any law. Articles from a media opposed to the President are not evidence.

If President Trump is so tight with the Russians, why are they expelling 750 U.S. diplomats, and why is Putin making threats in response to U.S. sanctions?

Ignore what people say. Observe what people do.


I never said I have tangible evidence. I am not doing the investigating, that shit wont come out for years. All I know is what you said, LOOK AT ACTIONS. Does the Actions Trump takes look like an innocent man? I mean, the dude was in bed with the mob. He will do anything to make money. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910

Also, have you never heard of Political theater before lol?

#141222 - 08/01/17 04:56 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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Actions that violate no laws are permissible in a free country.

Why would you want it any other way?


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#141224 - 08/01/17 09:21 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Owain]  
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Originally Posted by Owain
See, this is why I don't just take people's word for things, even in so august an organization as the KGB. If the evidence was so prevalent, why is it such a big deal to present some?

First, I don't know what evidence you might have in mind. I am not clairvoyant. If you think you have compelling evidence, it is not unreasonable to ask that you present what you have.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...omic-initiatives/?utm_term=.cf5b2366daeb

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/15/inv...ump-treasury-deputy-secretary/index.html

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/25/investing/trump-adviser-gary-cohn-goldman-sachs-payout/index.html

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/23/investing/jay-clayton-sec-confirmation-hearing/index.html (btw Jay Clayton was Goldman Sach's bailout lawyer. Now he's looking to head the SEC. Heh.)

I could keep going, I didn't even link Mnuchin specifically or Bannon - I'm pretty damn sure you know their background without me having to spell it out.


The New Yorker gives a pretty good account of the whole situation, which I just found while randomly googling for links.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/from-drain-the-swamp-to-government-sachs

Considering Goldman Sachs and their cronies are literally robbing every single one of us, and pulling off the biggest looting spree in literally the history of the world, I don't think more needs really be said. I suppose I could dig up one of Trumps many attacks against Goldman Sachs vis a vis Ted Cruz or Hillary Clinton, but why bother. If you actually deny they exist then I will.


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#141225 - 08/02/17 01:58 AM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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I see nothing illegal. I see news organizations opposed to the President.

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#141226 - 08/02/17 02:01 AM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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My suggestion to you?

Next election, vote for someone else.


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#141228 - 08/02/17 03:02 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Owain]  
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Owain gets the cognitive dissonance award for 2017

Calling it now.

The money section of CNN is pretty bland TBH, and even the WaPo article I linked says not a single solitary negative word about the appointee, though it does factually point out that Trump ran a negative campaign against Goldman Sachs and the ties Ted Cruz and Hillary Clinton had with it. Or, are you denying that happened?

So which Trump was right? The one who pointed out that Goldman Sachs was robbing everyone? Or the Trump that has turned over his administration to them? Or do you even think about it, and just follow whatever emanates from underneath the orange toupee on that particular day?

I also find it interesting how you keep falling back on legal/illegal, as if you would even know - or more importantly, as if it matters. Morality and legality are very different concepts, and in the current USA, increasingly divergent concepts.

In any case, I have to admit that I find your unquestioning support of the Goldman Sachs administration pure comedy, after they spent so much effort bribing the shit out of Hillary all those years. Pretty sure top execs like Cohn had a hand in that.


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#141229 - 08/02/17 03:09 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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I still think your best option is to vote for someone else. It worked very well for me, since I didn't want a continuation of failed Democratic policies.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/mar/17/obamas-lobbyist-rules-promise-broken/

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#141230 - 08/02/17 03:15 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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What I also find disturbing is Trumps total disrespect of some of are veterans and armed forces.

I'm paraphrasing here but...

"Military suicides happen to service members who 'can't handle it, strong veterans don't deal with PTSD."

"Trans are too costly and don't contribute to our military"

"He was not a war hero" (on McCain)

All that shit with Khizr Khan?

I guess my question would be... why do you support a President who hates our Armed forces and disrespects our veterans?


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#141231 - 08/02/17 03:17 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Owain]  
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Originally Posted by Owain
I still think your best option is to vote for someone else. It worked very well for me, since I didn't want a continuation of failed Democratic policies.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/mar/17/obamas-lobbyist-rules-promise-broken/


Tea, China, price.

The question here is wtf those, or anything you have said have to do with anything.

Go Google the term "non sequitur"


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#141235 - 08/02/17 08:10 PM Re: Trump card [Re: Sini]  
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People are losing their shit over this, but Obama did the same, and I don't see a 58 page thread moaning about how bad Obama was.

When people start being serious about Democrats doing the exact same things, maybe I'll start taking them seriously.

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