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Kaotic #139646 01/22/17 12:41 PM
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http://www.cjr.org/first_person/podesta_emails_journalists_dinner.php

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This practice continues unabated, as made clear in a recent batch of hacked emails released by WikiLeaks. The meals may be smaller and the settings less lavish, but the goals remain the same: for a person in a position of power, in this case Hillary Clinton, to groom a friendlier press corps. Non-journalists, as well as conservative outlets, reacted with anger and incredulity at emails—the Clinton campaign has not disputed their validity—that showed the campaign setting up off-the-record dinners and cocktails with John Podesta, the campaign chairman, and Joel Benenson, her chief strategist. (The Huffington Post had reported on the Podesta meeting previously.) Journalists mostly shrugged at the revelations.

Their dismissal is misguided. The emails may highlight business as usual, but it is a business practice that has helped stoke distrust of the press in 2016 and has propelled a narrative, pushed by Donald Trump, that the mainstream media is in the bag for Clinton. The implications of that will linger long after Election Day.
Bolding by me, for emphasis.

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Since WikiLeaks did not target Trump, we do not know the extent to which his campaign tried to court the press, though based on the ways he either tried to curtail access or denigrate reporters, it’s unclear whether they were ever extended the same dinnertime courtesy.


Wikileaks targets anyone and everything. Given their history, there is no reason to believe that they wouldn't have published Trump documents.

Maybe some enterprising reporter should have obtained some, and leaked them.


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Originally Posted By: Derid

Wikileaks targets anyone and everything. Given their history, there is no reason to believe that they wouldn't have published Trump documents.

Maybe some enterprising reporter should have obtained some, and leaked them.

If Wikileaks ever had anything. They can't leak what they don't have.


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Originally Posted By: Owain
Originally Posted By: Derid

Wikileaks targets anyone and everything. Given their history, there is no reason to believe that they wouldn't have published Trump documents.

Maybe some enterprising reporter should have obtained some, and leaked them.

If Wikileaks ever had anything. They can't leak what they don't have.


Exactly my point.

Can anyone familiar with them really say that they wouldnt have posted say, Trump's tax returns, had someone leaked them? I'm sure they would have.


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WashPost Trump - access journalism dead

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White House press briefings are “access journalism,” in which official statements — achieved by closeness to the source — are taken at face value and breathlessly reported as news. And that is over. Dead.

Spicer’s statement should be seen for what it is: Remarks made over the casket at the funeral of access journalism.

As Jessica Huseman of ProPublica put it: “Journalists aren’t going to get answers from Spicer. We are going to get answers by digging. By getting our hands dirty. So let’s all do that.”



We can only hope this is so. Though it begs the question, how the hell did it go on for so long in the first place?


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I think NPR does a good job - both parties hate it, so they must be doing something right. However, they are no BBC.


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I like NPR. All Things Considered is pretty cool, so is Folk Alley.


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NPR has its place, but I don't think the government should be subsidizing any news organization. That seems too much like Pravda.

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Originally Posted By: Owain
Originally Posted By: Derid

Wikileaks targets anyone and everything. Given their history, there is no reason to believe that they wouldn't have published Trump documents.

Maybe some enterprising reporter should have obtained some, and leaked them.

If Wikileaks ever had anything. They can't leak what they don't have.


In October 2010, Assange told a leading Moscow newspaper that "[t]he Kremlin had better brace itself for a coming wave of WikiLeaks disclosures about Russia."[193][194] In late November, Assange stated, "we have material on many businesses and governments, including in Russia. It's not right to say there's going to be a particular focus on Russia".[195] On 23 December 2010, the Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta announced that it had been granted access to a wide range of materials from the WikiLeaks database. The newspaper said that it will begin releasing these materials in January 2011, with an eye toward exposing corruption in the Russian government.[196][197]

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So they never published the Russian material? Looking at the wikipedia entry, it seems there are a few things that didn't get released or pan out for whatever reason.

Do you think the Russian bit is indicative of deeper collaboration? I note that they did release the Syrian files on Syrian govt subsequent to the Russian issue, which doesn't seem particularly pro-Russian.


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It sounds as if Wikileaks made good on it's threat to release information, but the paper never printed it.

Corruption runs deep in the former Soviet Union.

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