The KGB Oracle Forums General Public Discussion (SPECIAL ACCESS) KGB Political Debate Central Does Cultural Marxism exist?

If you were not aware of what was going on, read The Prison Notebooks. Note that this isn't just "some book," if they had one, it would be part of the official Marxist Cannon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_Notebooks
http://www.amazon.com/Selections-Prison-Notebooks-Antonio-Gramsci/dp/071780397X

Lookup "ConcernedStudent1950" and tell me with a straight face that these students are not a byproduct of far left authority figures conducting a "Long March" through American Schools, Hollywood and Media, who are constantly vomiting "Critial Thoery," telling them that their lives and futures are utterly hopeless...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o


See interviews with KGB operatives and tell me that there were/are no major organizations trying to bring Cultural Marxism to the USA...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl3FtHslT1Y

It seems silly to me to assume that Marxism died with the Soviet Union and/or Chairman Mao, as if Democracy and Republics died with Greece and Rome....

EDIT: The #1 topic of Gromsky was replacing Cultural Hemogony with different conflicting cultures in order to cause a crisis, and then use this crisis to bring in an Authoritarian police state and bring the mode of production under State control, whether that be legislative or a Dictatorship is irrelevant (this is important because Americans have this funny idea that Marxism MUST NOT be Democratic), both are Marxism.

In the USA evidence of this can be seen is all the "grass roots" support for Bernie Sanders, Castro, Che Guerra, Nelson Mandela, Hugo Chavez, etc etc... This is a country on the verge of civil war. I've looked over this forum and I'm not the only one who predicts a police state coming. I don't really care if it's Fascist or Communist, the end result is the same (state owns means of production), as is the end result of globalism and imperialism, their respective modes of expansion.

For example, at the University we were taught that Hugo Chavez was a hero of the people and that our country is an Evil Empire that must be stopped. Students walked around with Che Geverra shirts while students with American flag shirts were suspended and forced to change. In my city you can buy candles and shrines to Che and Nelson Mandella at most of the local corner stores and even some of the 7-11s and Stripes, while an american flag bumper sticker is a sure way to get your car vandalized.

I mean, I dunno about you guys, but I grew up in a "diverse" area, from highschool to everywhere I've worked I've been surrounded by people who view Che Gueverra and Karl Marx as heroes and role models, brilliant and so forth.

I went to schools were students aspired to be "Playas" and "Thugs" (their label for themselves, not my pejorative) You listen to a 2pac, RATM or SOAD or Lil' Wayne most any other other top 10 Billboard pop records and you find the same thing, glorification of Marxists, Fascists and attacks on the monogamous American culture (2pac's group was all named after Marxists and Fascists, Rage had many songs supporting Castro etc, most of SOADs albums are about "Evil Empire" etc...) Lets be honest, being an American who is pro america, or a heterosexual male or even female open about his/her sexuality is is counter-culture now a days.

I don't think this is debatable, if you think a woman can go to a university and give a talk about how great it is being a housewife and stay at home mom without being booed and ran out of town I would like to see one example of that even happening. Before he died Christopher Hitchens was branted a "right wing theocratic-fascist" who manipulated people into joining "state religion" for fucks sake, and Bill Maher can't speak at Universities because he is a racist bigoted Islamphobe. Naomi Wolf is now considered a misogynist, and saying "it's okay to be gay" will get you banned from college because it violate some SJW tenant I'm not even aware of.

As for Sanders being a "Social Democrat" and not a Communist that's almosmt poetic, because Vladmiere Lennin started as a "Social Democrat" and the Social Democrat party was literally the vehical the Bolsheviks used to gain legitimacy in their coming to power. Now-a-days schools teach that the Soviet Union itself wasn't Communist either, it did bad things, thus it must have been Capitliasm, cause Capitlaism is bad and Communism is Good, thus Orwellian word "State Capitalism" (state owned mode of production is state owned mode of production no matter what you call it, as if calling a shit-sandwich roast beef makes it palatable) was born...

How far are we gone? Just look at Obama. He himself makes no bones about being inspired by his grandfather's good friend Frank Marshal Davis, a Soviet KGB mole and terrorist cell infiltrating the USA. Obama's grandparents were Communists, this is just a matter of fact, thus by DEFINITION Obama is a red diaper baby. People claim it's all conspiracy but he doesn't even try to hide it. Don't take my word for it, here it is right from the horses mouth...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub1LiRU2tGo

Is it any wonder he uses Communist campaign materials? There are mountains and mountains of evidence pointing to the president's communist sympathies. I'm sorry, but huge amounts of resources are invested in coming up with campaign materials, are we to believe the top minds in political history and marketing looked at this and the greatest political catastrophe in the history of the world just slipped their mind?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/insi...xism-socialism/

At this point in American politics Obama could come out and say "I am a communist" and the big "debate" would be on whether or not a Communist can be president, or if white people are just afraid of loosing their "property privileges"...

If that doesn't convince you there is a Culture War taking place (Siri had a post on this a few points down, there were over a Billion communists in the world 50 years ago, do we just assume they all reformed and became Capitalists? Or even more stretched, still just gave up on philosophy and academics all together and just decided to dedicate themselves to shoveling shit?). Keep in mind Vegas has this guy as the #3 runner up for president.

Let me rephrase that, the third pick Americans would have for president believes a 93% tax rate would "not be unreasonable" based on a tax code in the early 20th century which gave deductions to businesses for every little thing they did that benefit society, in a time back before the NSA were able to mine a database on EVERY HUMAN ON THE PLANET so that they have not only a better grip on your business and finances than all your accountants and you yourself, but also a better profile of your heart/mind/soul than your own mother or even your wife ever possibly could even after a lifetime of marriage and lovemaking...

Having a government that is literally Omnipotent/Omnipresent as the Biblical God demand 90% taxes with no deductions is a bit different than an impotent def and blind Uncle passing his hat around and giving you some back for things such as simply paying your employees. If you still don't see how these scenarios are different then there's nothing more to be said. If a Communist doesn't get elected in 2016 (Bernie) then it's just a matter of time. The next generation will be calling the SJWs and Progressives of today "right wing extremists" because their businesses don't accommodate the Trans-species, and those who have undergone genome therapy have a right to an environment free from substances toxic to their species! You're already hearing this about the Trans-abled, if your Pizza driver identifies as a parapalegic, or blind and has some vertebrae or his eyes removed (yes this is a thing people are doing) you have to find a job for him to do otherwise you are a bigot who hates disabled people and need to shut your shop down... Believe me, this is already becoming a thing, they're ramping up the school-work for kids right now. I'm fine with trans-teachers, but someone who destroys their own eyes on purpose belongs in a mental ward (fucking Ronald Reagan what have you done). Why we would let someone who fantasizes about having a disability who then mutilates their eyeballs around children is beyond me, guess I'm just too old to absorb the propaganda...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/psychologist-blinds-woman-drain-cleaner-6552282


So guess what all these trans-abled people are going to need, Disability checks

"No citizen, you can't have a large soda or a cigarette, you might get Emphysema or COPD."

"You know what that does to your body? What are you mentally ill?"

" What's that, OHHHH!"

"You just want to remove a lung cause you identify as a smoker?"

"Sure! Come right in sign here for your lung surgery and disability check!"

We would have laguhed at this prospect just 10 years ago, now you're called either a bigot (by the left) or a fool (by the right) if you can't imagine it happening. At most we are two generations away from the highest paid person on this forum (300k a year? Maybe?) giving 270k of his gross to the government and keeping 30k year net income MAX. Some of you might have your own business that pulls in a few million a year, divide your revenues by 10 and tell me if you'd have to let anyone go, or will want to give them a raise, especially knowing that your employee will have absolutely nothing to thank you for because they only see 1 out of every 10 dollars you pay them.

Just go take a stroll across Facebook, Reddit and Youtube if you don't think 95% tax rate sounds like "Justice" to most Millennials. Ask them if they have heard of the "Laffer curve." You'll be lucky if you don't get hit by two dozen trolls and branded a racist and fired from your job if you so much as question the viability or wisdom of that kind of tax rate.

I actually had to shut down Facebook for that very reason. Most of the Millennials I grew up with expected businesses to pay 90% taxes and at the same time hire 2x as many people and pay each of them 5x as much. Not that I would base national opinoin on a few people I know, but from what I see on Social Media that seems to be the status quo, and straw polls done on Millennials back it up.

Now, maybe Bernie or some other Communist, (The Social Democrats were/are literally Marxist parties in Scandinavian Countries Bernie is drawing inspiration from, Bernie used to keep a large oil painting of Marx in his mayoral office, what more do you need to know? ) won't win this election, but you can be sure that when you send your kids to school they are being told that it's completely possible to run a business with someone taking 90% of your gross income.
http://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/

They're probably beign given hormone blockers and supplements by the school nurse too, and/or taught how and why they should call a lawyer on any doctor who "body shames" them by telling them that their perfect snowflake 350lb self needs to loose weight (something doctors area already complaining about), but that is a topic for another day.

As for China. China is not "moving towards a free market" they are following the original Communist plan laid down by Marx which is to use capitalism to create a mode of production that will meet the needs of the people before nationalizing (Yes! Communist states have national borders too! Go figure!) it and socializing it. The govt has made a plan to use capitalism to create wealth, and when enough wealth has been created they will take over the process. It's not even a matter of "if" but when, they nationalize businesses all the time, it's a regular occurrence.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-luneng-idUSSHA25028520080223

This is no secret either, it's all public information. The Chinese govt doesn't keep it a secret, just read some Mao and you'll understand why the Chinese govt has made some room for a market economy, just don't be surprised if it's not rooted in the non-aggregation principal or the Founder's idea that taxation without representation was Tyranny/theft. Even Marx wrote about the need for a capitalist stage of evolution in the forward march into Utopia.

If the Chinese govt says they're going to do something and has an official policy of it, plans and piles of documents and guidelines detailing how and why they're going to do it, and the papers are daily reporting it happening, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a theory at all...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China#Views_on_capitalism

In the end Constitutional Republics REQUIRE a well informed well educated public that is concerned with liberty. I saw in another thread someone joking about people just voting for whoever was the tallest, it's true, we vote based on identity policies, hatred of "the other" and manufactured crises.
http://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Cons...duckduckgo-d-20

Antonio Gramsci wrote that when Marxists change the culture that the reigns of government would fall into their laps like ripened fruit. Our 4th amendment is gone, depending on who gets elected it's doubtful that Americans will still have the 2nd amendment come the next cycle, and "thought criminals" are already either being forced into economic and social exile or shoved into prison cells for so much as talking about it. In Germany Taharush victims are being muzzled and threatened with jail time if they talk about being gang-raped. I have a friend in Germany who is afraid to talk to me about this because Merkel has sent police to kick people's doors down if they say anything to anyone in public or in private against her immigration policy. In light of this is there any doubt that western governments are becoming more and more like one of George Orwell's nightmares?

We Americans have come to take our freedoms for granted, we have come to think they are the default state of affairs, but they aren't, and those who spit on the meomry of their ancestors and/or forget their history as we have done are doomed to relive the past until the lessons are learned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

I'm not a God fearing man but I almost wonder if the authors of the Bible and other myths (like Shakespere) were onto something given the fact that all these stories and all the holywood movies we view as truth that were inspired by these works are utterly meaningless if they are not observations of patterns and recurring events we as humans are to encounter in our lives, like solar and lunar cycles, the rising and falling of the Nile, societies, cultures, or our individual relationships, so that future generations can be made wise to them.

It really is perplexing how Americans attack religion for not being scientifically proven (can you prove that the Big Bad Wolf blew down the House of Sticks?), or accuse Christians of believing that God wrote the Bible, and that it was literal (only cult-sects think that).

It was written the way it was written because it doubles as a children's book. Of course it has to be presented that way so that low IQ people incapable of reading at a high-school level don't get disillusioned and go on a nihilistic crime-spree, but these people weren't going to be able to navigate relative morality or get past their own inevitable ego-deaths anyway, better they be afraid of hellfire or the boogie man than succumb to nihilism.

I mean, I don't think Oedipus really slew a Harpy to save Thebes and marry his mother, and I doubt anyone thinks Icarus really made wings out of wax and feathers to escape prison then died because he flew too close to the Sun (RIP Biggie Smalls), or that Macbeth really saw a ghost, but then again nobody slams Universities for presenting these "bronze age myths" as scientific truths (which is exactly what they do) in Psychology or Sociology either.

Point is, yes, we on this forum might understand that the Founders and the West have laid down the blueprint for a free and productive, peaceful and altruistic society, and we might recognize that Communism and Socialism have failed, but most of the world hasn't even figured out that violence isn't a productive way to resolve disputes with your wife or kids yet. Most people on Earth haven't figured out that you can't just rape a boy or woman if you're having a "sexual emergency." Rape games and slavery are the norm in large parts of the world, and our politicians don't think the rules apply to them, just google "Taharush" or "House of Lords Pedophilia" if you need more info.

You don't even need to leave the West, there are large blocks and reclusive areas of poverty in America that still haven't figured these basic tenants out yet. If you don't think violence or beating women is wrong, how will you be able to understand that taxation for thrift, pork barrel politics and personal gain is theft and tyranny? Besides, it's not theft if you're getting government to steal back the money they stole from you in the first place (slavery was a Govt program after all). An eye for an eye, getting even, that's Justice right? Is it any wonder that the masses have not figured out Communism is bad yet?

PS: I would reply with more info in an organized way instead of posting it in this post, but it seems my reply button is missing? Was I muted for bringing this up or is it something else?

PPS: Why so defensive? This discussion isn't about a "Marxist takeover" via conventional means. It's whether our society is about to collapse, and if so, whether the collapse was engineered or just because of chance. I would argue those that think the race riots and explosion in crime and incarceration rate are all due to chance are afraid to discover or accept the truth (the marriage of Fascist political groups, media, prison complex and pop culture, for example)...

I thought this was pretty much a given at this point, as we grow past 20 Trillion dollar debt, record deficits, and daily race riots all across the country, militarization of police, subsidized crime, more and more NSA spying, government mandates to buy products/services, IRS debtors prisons for refusing Obamacare and not paying the mandate, as our basic civil liberties fizzle into nonexistence under the watchful eye ofa neigh Omnipotent government.....

Do you really think the outcome of a complete economic meltdown will be a freer society and not martial law and a police state?

PPPS: In response to my critique of Bernie Sanders, the thing I find inherently flawed about him is the idea that somehow redistributing 90% of all wealth would somehow eliminate pork barrel politics. If you want to end corporate entitlements, and government backed monopolies just end them, redistribution fits here nor there in the equation. The need for even a 1% tax increase simply is not predicated on any part of the problem. If anything ending corporate entitlement should reduce the need for taxes, not raise them. It's basic logic. Government gets the money for corporate entitlements from taxes, if you have more taxes why would you assume you have LESS corporate entitlements?

What Bernie is calling for is good old fashioned revenge. Corporatoins have gotten richer and salaries have not gone up in proportoin, this is mostly due to corporatoins expanding from a single nation into a world wide global network and not billionaires stuffing trillions of coins away in a bank (any businessman will tell you that this is a sure way to become broke overnight), buying yachts and and refusing to pay workers their fair share in America. When have you ever seen a "1%" report or "study" ever take into consideration the fact that American corporations are now Global corporations, and that the studies of "the rich getting richer" are the direct result of globalism and American corporations becoming Global corporations? There is just no other way to cut it, the IRS requires that corporations report ALL income both domestic and foreign, and Wall Street doesn't exactly published detailed charts breaking down what percentage of their gross income came from where, so we're left pining over corpoatoins quadrupling their net worth and moaning we didn't get the same kind of raise, when the truth is we had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of all that wealth, tho, if you were smart enough to sign onto your companies stock options or 401k and retirement healthcare and life benefits, this would be exactly the kind of thing that makes all that possible.

As I said, the IRS requires all American corporations to pay taxes on earned income from abroad, America is one of the few countries that does this, you know, because we're all special snowflakes, so the third world is just going to have to tighten their little anemic pants and get to fucking work cause we Mericans wanna go learn us some Gender Studies to learn about all the new genders we "created" and study new ways to call anyone who suggests we cut taxes names like racist or misogynist or homophobic or xenophobic etc...

Do tell me, why are Americans entitled to the fruits of some China-man's physical labor anyway? If I manage a global restaurant int he USA, what gives me the right to claim the product of some guy bussing tables in China? Beyond that, I thought the issue was "income inequality," how is reaching into the pockets of destitute (they are beyond poverty) third world workers who LITERALLY don't have a pot to piss in or a house to put one in if they did considered "fighting for the poor" or "promoting income equality" by any definition of the words?

Yet, in American politics today being a "globally conscious concerned liberal" means you actively fight to have the government backed by it's police and military go and shake down third world workers and give them the money and then call anyone who objects a selfish racist who needs to "check their privilege" because those starving anemic third world workers just don't understand how hard it is to be an American. Ironically it's always liberals who swear at corporations for not "feeding poor Chinese and African people" when they are the ones using government as a weapons to snatch the fruits of their labor off of their plates. Sure maybe the corporations would have if they didn't but getting equal pay would have at least been posssible. You don't get acquitted for murder by saying "well so and so probably would have killed him anyway if I didn't, so not my fault I murdered him, go arrest that guy"....

If you're wondering whether or not McDonalds and all these other corporations tax sheets detail just USA incomes or Global incomes, well, all you need to know is that NOT reporting all foreign income is a crime, and that applies to individuals as well as corporations. Thus the results we see from the IRS MUST be global income, not just w/e capital American workers generated...
https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Income-from-Abroad-is-Taxable

I'm not going to say that the min wage never needs to be raised, or that all corporations are respectable actors, but the fact that globalization and foreign workers never enter into the equation is troubling to say the least given that globalization and third world labor makes up for the vast majority of growth in their respective corporations.

You can be sure that if the type of economic exploitation of the third world that Bernie Sanders is promoting came to pass that the situation would escalate RAPIDLY. If you ever wondered why American businesses can't compete in foreign markets now you know why. Why would anyone expand into a foreign market the US govt just demanded you send all the wealth created by third world labors back home? Why would any foreign country allow an American business into it's midst if all it will do is funnel money out of their country and into the pockets of "concerned" (but not THAT concerned) liberals. I mean, due to the absolutle senselessness of it, the only reason to go there in many cases would be racism and or hatred for non Americans. Forget for a moment that most Capitalist ventures want to provide welfare to their employees, that is, they have an altruistic component and in such a situation that would not exist, nor would there be any profit motive, the only personal motive left would be to do harm to foreigners on behalf of people who hate you. Not many people take pleasure in something so sadistic as robbing starving (concentration camp starving, not the American "mom I'm starving" starving) destitute third world people of the frits of their labor nor do most people enjoy masochism enough to hand it over to a tribe of entitled spoiled brats just so they can cry to have politicians to end your whole enterprise in the event you don't squeeze even more blood out of those destitute starving people in the future....

I just don't see a rise possible with the current state of things. Marxist concepts have failed miserably throughout their short history. I will read your links though and comment further.

I think you are reaching with the data you provided. I just don't draw the same conclusions from what I just read.

My opinion is that your fear is unfounded, and I am confident that a potential rise of Marxism is very unlikely.

Let's look at a communist regime like China for example. They are being pushed further and further towards Capitalism each say.

Marxism was a failed experiment.

I think the spirit of your discourse has some merit, but you miss the Marx (sorry, I'm feeling punny this morning) a bit
when it comes to the big picture.

Most notably in your focus on Sanders. While I could write several dissertations on various disagreements I have with
some of his various economic views, I think a fundamental understanding of his point of view is useful. He looks towards
the northern Euro polities for inspiration.

Of greater importance, is his longstanding opposition to various attempts at removing the political rights enshrined
in the Bill of Rights. As well as his general historic opposition to most useless wars. Wars, it should be noted, are
corrosive towards free societies as well as being the most expensive (corporate) welfare program known to man.

As one example, just look at how much money was spent on handing Iraq over to Iran and Isis.

Bernie has never been a friend to the NSA or the Security-Industrial state either, hence the Establishment's attempts to
suppress him.

If some of his supporters still hold delusions of Communism, that doesn't mean that Bernie himself is Communist.

Bernie isn't the problem here. Hillary, Trump, Cruz, the NYC/DC media and banking establishments are the problem.

Fascism in the US doesn't look much like fascism in the WW2 countries, nor will it. Which is why so many people have
a hard time detecting it. One big difference between historical Communist and Fascist regimes, and modern ones, is State ownership of the
means of production is no longer necessary or desired.

It's far more effective to control the money, and thus the media.

Society's boogeymen learn and evolve just like any other social group. They've learned it's far more effective to just
print endless money to dole out, and spend billions convincing people that their political rights are actually bad for them
than it is to just go around shooting and jailing people.

You are right though about how hostile some segments of society, particularly the Left Coast, are to free speech and
critical thought.

P.S. Jet, fix the forum permissions already!

Separated your response out, since I'm guessing the forum permissions are still goof which is why you edited your initial post.

As far as Bernies tax plans go, I don't pay it much mind because it would never pass congress anyhow.

Regarding foreign profits, companies actually create legal structures to avoid taxation. It's a fairly complex topic. What actually
often happens, is foreign money is never repatriated, and sits in overseas accounts in foreign subsidiaries. Part of the issue, and
it really has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders, is legal mechanisms for most tax avoidance and reduction schemes are available to
large and powerful entities but not smaller ones.

Most 1% studies and such, actually do take into account the fact that corporations are global though. In fact, globally, the fact that
money is funneling into the hands of fewer and fewer is sort of the problem. Would Sander's proposed solutions stop this? Maybe not.

The one thing Bernies economics do have going for them, is they at least help reinforce the idea that programs and such need to be
paid for somehow. The current status quo, is one of printing money to pay for things. In addition to the obvious problems, one of
the additional problems this creates, is economic obfuscation of the real state of the market. Will post up a couple music videos
that touch on the basic tenets of the root problem. Trust me, they're good.

I do think Bernie is economically mistaken about a good many things. The good thing about Bernie, is he is currently the only
non-police state candidate.

As for your comments on political correctness, I'm not a fan of such either. But I think you have to separate the PC stuff out from
the economic argument. Political Correctness is actually just kind of a sick reverse-psychology means for affluent white people to fill
the existential void in their soul with guilt, in a manner that actually affirms their own sense of superiority. At least as far as I can
tell. It serves to give it's adherents a sense of shared purpose, and solidarity. Much like a cult or religion.

So at least when speaking with me, theres no reason to argue against it - directly or indirectly. I'm already not a fan. It does however,
serve to confuse the issues I think.

I don't think it would surprise anyone, but I happen to agree with Jet.

I think Oligarchy happening (entrenching?) is much bigger problem. Concentration of wealth and corruption of political system by that wealth is the underlying problem... and much more likely to lead to loss of Republic than Marxism.

I don't see the connection between SJW (who are special case of authoritarian statists) and Marxism. I am aware in some political circles these are conflated and you can draw some parallels between class struggle and socioeconomic privilege... but that similarity is superficial.

You will have to do a lot more convincing before I could agree with this point.