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McD and Corn Refiners bought out nutritionist conference

Corporations work hard on making sure 'informed decisions by consumer' does not happen. Now, please tell me how government is at fault for any of this.


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Of course they do, and if you need an article from a rag like Mother Jones to realize that then I guess you deserve what you get.

I don't think anyone here ever said that the gubment never did anything good. Just that many things they do, they foul up. While we're on the subject, the FDA also makes decisions based on how much money Monsanto gives them. So, how do you propose to keep consumers well informed when the rule makers are also beholden to corporate interests?


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How? First, we stop pretending that markets will somehow take care of everything on their own.


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Originally Posted By: Sini
How? First, we stop pretending that markets will somehow take care of everything on their own.


As Kaotic implied, thinking for yourself is a good start. Not sure how you call markets into play here, especially in response to govt idiocy.

As far as how govt is responsible, we already established that govt subsidies, particularly for corn help make selling lots of garbage foods very cost effective and profitable.

Other than ending artificially created imbalances in the foodstuffs supply chain, dietary habits are ultimately an individual choice that can really only be solved at the individual levels by individuals.

If people want to spend their money on a McRatShit burger or equivalent, ultimately its going to be hard to stop them.


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Originally Posted By: Derid
especially in response to govt idiocy.


Please explain how government is involved in junk food industry corrupting nutritionist profession in order to soften criticism and limit/shape spread of factual information?

In my book this is clear case of private corporations spending money on disinformation campaigns.

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dietary habits are ultimately an individual choice that can really only be solved at the individual levels by individuals.


You failed to identify the problem presented by linked article. If individual choice is based on intentional misinformation, then it is not a choice at all.

In order to have meaningful choice it has to be informed.


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Let me simplify this:

Joe Consumer decides to eat healthier. He heard veggies/salads are better than fried food. He goes to McD where he is served the same fried food, only now over wilted lettuce instead of stale bread. Joe Consumer thinks he made a good choice, and McD is working hard on preventing him from finding out otherwise.

Now, you will likely object to this, asserting that Joe should put more effort into researching his diet. I disagree - general public has no choice but to trust experts, especially if limited to average-bear intellect. We choose to trust doctors, engineers, teachers, dieticians, car mechanics... because for overwhelming majority alternative is not possible.


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Originally Posted By: Sini
Let me simplify ... for overwhelming majority alternative is not possible.
Now we're getting somewhere. You think people, in general, are stupid and need someone like you to watch out for them. I think people, in general, are capable of making reasonably intelligent decisions.


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Lets take a business that is largely unregulated and look at how the "Market" performs in the best interest of the people. Let's take the supplement business for instance. They can make crazy claims that much of the population believes due to market based disinformation. There is little regulation here, and it is a great example of why we need government over-site.

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The Food and Drug Administration can’t protect you. It didn’t protect Sonette Marras, a 48-year-old mother of seven who died in Hawaii last month. It didn’t protect Michael Lee Sparling, a 22-year-old Army private who died at Fort Bliss two years ago. Nor can it protect the more than 2,000 Americans a year who will die or suffer illness after taking over-the-counter dietary supplements.
Don’t expect the FDA to protect you now. The laws it enforces protect the $30 billion-a-year industry that makes and sells the supplements, not the 53 percent of Americans who take them.
Not quite medicines, not quite food, dietary supplements fall into a regulatory black hole. A big black hole. And one of the most glaring examples of what can go wrong occurred in Dallas, where a company continued to manufacture dietary supplements with an illegal ingredient, DMAA, one year after this laboratory-made stimulant was deemed unsafe.
The story begins in 1994, when Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, introduced a federal law, the Dietary Supplements Health and Education Act, that opened the door for supplements to be sold without safety testing.
This means that the pills, powders and potions on sale across the nation are deemed safe — until someone gets sick. “We don’t approve these products for safety or efficacy prior to going to market,” says Dr. Daniel Fabricant, director of the Division of Dietary Supplement Programs at the FDA. “They’re not like drugs. The way the law is, firms don’t have to register their products, so dietary supplements come on to the market freely.”
It’s a huge market. In 2009, 55,000 supplements were on sale in the U.S., according to the Government Accountability Office. That’s up from 4,000 in 1994, a nearly 1,300 percent increase.
When a supplement is suspected to have caused deaths or illnesses, it’s up to the FDA to prove that the supplement is unsafe. “The burden is on us,” says Fabricant. “Proving that something caused harm directly is very challenging.”


Most of this shit is snake oil with no science behind it, and yet the "Market" lies and kills people for profit.

If the market is flooded with misinformation, how can a consumer make 'informed decisions'.

Let me break it down. The free market is much like the players in any sport. There needs to be a referee to keep things fair. People generally do not follow rules without the threat of consequences.


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The one case they talked about said the ingredient was illegal. So if the company keep using it they are liable and should suffer consequences.

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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
You think people, in general, are stupid


Half of people out there are below average intelligence. By definition. You can't run society based on "top 1% will be fine", not in financial, not in intellectual, not in any other sense.


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